My Lesson with Fram Oil Filter

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Old 30 Dec 2005, 02:03 am   #1 (permalink)
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10 day ago I made the mistake of getting a Fram filter. At the time I
looked for an oil filter for my 91 camry 4cyl in Kragen, all they had left
that matched my car was Fram. So I got the more expensive "Tough Guard"
type, thinking that it couldn't be that bad. During the last week I
noticed a new problem: when starting the car when it is hot (off for 20
minutes), it took more than 15 second for the oil pressure light to
disappear. I had no idea that it could be due to faulty oil pressure,
until I search this NG last night. Today I purchased Pureone filter, and
the oil pressure light is on for less than 2 seconds.
I hope that it did not cause irreversible damage. When the oil pressure
was low I did hear knocking from the engine.
I saved the filter, and I am going to complain to Fram and Kragen about
damaging my engine with faulty filter. Please share your suggestions
regarding what can be done about putting Fram in their place.
From now on, only Toyota or Denso for my car.

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Old 30 Dec 2005, 06:24 am   #2 (permalink)
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bobistheoilguy.com if you want to know more about fram...

"bauz" <b_avta@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> 10 day ago I made the mistake of getting a Fram filter. At the time I
> looked for an oil filter for my 91 camry 4cyl in Kragen, all they had left
> that matched my car was Fram. So I got the more expensive "Tough Guard"
> type, thinking that it couldn't be that bad. During the last week I
> noticed a new problem: when starting the car when it is hot (off for 20
> minutes), it took more than 15 second for the oil pressure light to
> disappear. I had no idea that it could be due to faulty oil pressure,
> until I search this NG last night. Today I purchased Pureone filter, and
> the oil pressure light is on for less than 2 seconds.
> I hope that it did not cause irreversible damage. When the oil pressure
> was low I did hear knocking from the engine.
> I saved the filter, and I am going to complain to Fram and Kragen about
> damaging my engine with faulty filter. Please share your suggestions
> regarding what can be done about putting Fram in their place.
> From now on, only Toyota or Denso for my car.
>



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Old 30 Dec 2005, 10:04 am   #3 (permalink)
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I like to buy the dealer filters several at a time, so I have a supply
of multiple oil, air filters and gaskets on hand for future use.
I like to group those purchases with other large purchases so I can ask
for price discounts at the same time.
Kragen is fine for bottled oil, but staying with genuine parts is the
right idea.
When I bought my Camry, someone had neglected to replace the air
temperature sensor in the air intake enclosure for the filter -
allowing unfiltered air into my engine for 15,000 miles until this
newsgroup helped me figure out what was going on.
All you can do it move ahead and avoid past mistakes.
My engine still runs great 50,000 miles later, and I'm sure you'll be
fine, too.
One would not intentionally abuse the engine, but once it's done, you
can't go back, so just forget about it - while not helpful, those
seconds aren't going to do irreparable damage either you just heard the
engine running dry of oil for a short time with no load.
One would not intentionally abuse the engine, but once it's done, you
can't go back, so just forget about it - while not helpful, those
seconds aren't going to do irreparable damage either you just heard the
engine running dry of oil for a short time with no load.

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Old 30 Dec 2005, 10:36 am   #4 (permalink)
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Daniel, 12/30/2005, 11:04:20 AM,
<1135958660.583467.196400@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups .com> wrote:

> When I bought my Camry, someone had neglected to replace the air
> temperature sensor in the air intake enclosure for the filter -
> allowing unfiltered air into my engine for 15,000 miles until this
> newsgroup helped me figure out what was going on.


Tell me about this please. I am having a problem with my 97 Camry
where outside air coming into the cabin smells like crankcase exhaust.
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Old 30 Dec 2005, 11:01 am   #5 (permalink)
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> "bauz" wrote:
> I saved the filter, and I am going to complain to Fram and Kragen about
> damaging my engine with faulty filter. Please share your suggestions
> regarding what can be done about putting Fram in their place.
> From now on, only Toyota or Denso for my car.


When I had my car service at one of those jiffy lube type places, I always
noticed that the valvetrain was extremely noisy when I first started the
car. At some point later, I got one of the coupons from the car dealer and
took it there. The valvetrain clatter was gone!

This was some 80,000 miles down the road when I made the discovery and the
subsequent switch back to the dealer. No doubt the jiffy lube places were
using a cheaper filter that didn't keep sufficient pressure in the engine's
oil lines. Maybe it was some Fram clone filter they used?

The engine, and car, were retired at 125,000 miles as the valvetrain and
chain were getting really noisy. I didn't want to pay for any costly engine
repairs as every time I have done so in the past something else costly went
wrong as well. The clutch was about shot as well.

Anyway, now I rely on the dealer for service on the new car and they usually
address any Service Bulletin matters from the manufacturer. Occasionally
I'll buy a filter from them and do my own oil change - but only if I have
too.

B~


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Old 30 Dec 2005, 01:18 pm   #6 (permalink)
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"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Daniel, 12/30/2005, 11:04:20 AM,
> <1135958660.583467.196400@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups .com> wrote:
>
> > When I bought my Camry, someone had neglected to replace the air
> > temperature sensor in the air intake enclosure for the filter -
> > allowing unfiltered air into my engine for 15,000 miles until this
> > newsgroup helped me figure out what was going on.

>
> Tell me about this please. I am having a problem with my 97 Camry
> where outside air coming into the cabin smells like crankcase exhaust.


By "crankcase exhaust",.you mean engine fumes due blow-by? This should not
happen if the PCV system is working with no split hoses around the PCV valve
or the direct line from the cam-cover into the throttle body or intake. It
maybe you are smelling exhaust. In this case, you need to check for exhaust
leaks by momentarily blocking the exhaust pipe outlet with a rag. The car
should start to stall. If you hear a hissing noise, or no effect, then
there's a hole/s in the system somewhere. The other cause, maybe a poor seal
on the trunk or boot-lid. This allows exhaust to enter the cabin, especially
on over-run, down hills.

Hope you find it.

Jason


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Old 31 Dec 2005, 08:12 am   #7 (permalink)
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"bauz" <b_avta@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> 10 day ago I made the mistake of getting a Fram filter. At the time I
> looked for an oil filter for my 91 camry 4cyl in Kragen, all they had left
> that matched my car was Fram. So I got the more expensive "Tough Guard"
> type, thinking that it couldn't be that bad. During the last week I
> noticed a new problem: when starting the car when it is hot (off for 20
> minutes), it took more than 15 second for the oil pressure light to
> disappear. I had no idea that it could be due to faulty oil pressure,
> until I search this NG last night. Today I purchased Pureone filter, and
> the oil pressure light is on for less than 2 seconds.
> I hope that it did not cause irreversible damage. When the oil pressure
> was low I did hear knocking from the engine.
> I saved the filter, and I am going to complain to Fram and Kragen about
> damaging my engine with faulty filter. Please share your suggestions
> regarding what can be done about putting Fram in their place.
> From now on, only Toyota or Denso for my car.
>


in my 4cyl. '99 camry i use nothing but Fram filters and have so since i
bought the car new. it now has about 165k miles on it and is still going
strong. i've used Fram filters frot he last 20 years on everything i drive
and have never had a single oil issue w/ any of my cars, work trucks or
motorcycles. the oil in my '99 and my 4cyl. '02 camry get changed every
3,000 - 3,500k miles so i've been through my share of (Fram # PH4967 Extra
Guard) filters especially the '99. on the '99 use at least 9 filters a year
and i buy them by the case and have been since i got tired of buying three
or 4 at a time. for oil i use Walmart oil 5-30 that i stock up on that i
usually paid $0.79-$0.89 p/qt. and sometimes i buy other brands (like Exxon)
of 5-30 when they are on sale for around a $1.00 or so w/ mail in rebates.
as a mattter of fact, i doing a oil change this morning on my '02.

Happy New Year......

mike................


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Old 31 Dec 2005, 03:10 pm   #8 (permalink)
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More info on oil filters:

http://www.frankhunt.com/FRANK/corve...lterstudy.html

They sure do not like Frams.

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Old 01 Jan 2006, 12:20 pm   #9 (permalink)
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I must echo Mike's comments on FRAM.

I was shocked to see any negative comments on FRAM filters as I also have
used almost nothing else on all of my vehicles (way too many to list here),
for many decades now! In all that time, I have never lost an engine or
vehicle to sludge or oil related problems, never! In the interest of open
disclosure, I change the oil and filter in every vehicle as close to 3,000
miles as possible, no matter what the manufacturers say about longer
intervals, and I don't use synthetics.

When I tried to go to the links in this subject for all the horror stories,
the only one that worked was bobtheoilguy so I'm still wondering what's the
problem with Fram?

I am much more interested in what causes Camry's much alleged oil sludge
problem. I don't have any problem, and none of my vehicles (from
motorcycles to boats, to sports cars, to sedans, to trucks, etc.) has ever
had a sludge problem. Some of those vehicles were/are old enough to vote
two-times-over! So, why is Camry so famous for sludge problems, and why
does Toyota think this is just fine?! Are we supposed to think that Camry
owners are somehow inferior to others, or somehow too stupid to maintain
their vehicles properly?

If there is a real problem, it must be designed in, don't you think? I know
I'm just as "stupid" with my other vehicles, and as said before, I have
NEVER had a sludge related problem in any engine I own(ed). Of course, it
must be said, there is no sludge in my Camry, either!

Just my 2-cents worth.

Bob in Los Angeles


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> "bauz" <b_avta@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8f586eff19ce06f756a318952368db60@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
> > 10 day ago I made the mistake of getting a Fram filter. At the time I
> > looked for an oil filter for my 91 camry 4cyl in Kragen, all they had

left
> > that matched my car was Fram. So I got the more expensive "Tough Guard"
> > type, thinking that it couldn't be that bad. During the last week I
> > noticed a new problem: when starting the car when it is hot (off for 20
> > minutes), it took more than 15 second for the oil pressure light to
> > disappear. I had no idea that it could be due to faulty oil pressure,
> > until I search this NG last night. Today I purchased Pureone filter, and
> > the oil pressure light is on for less than 2 seconds.
> > I hope that it did not cause irreversible damage. When the oil pressure
> > was low I did hear knocking from the engine.
> > I saved the filter, and I am going to complain to Fram and Kragen about
> > damaging my engine with faulty filter. Please share your suggestions
> > regarding what can be done about putting Fram in their place.
> > From now on, only Toyota or Denso for my car.
> >

>
> in my 4cyl. '99 camry i use nothing but Fram filters and have so since i
> bought the car new. it now has about 165k miles on it and is still going
> strong. i've used Fram filters frot he last 20 years on everything i

drive
> and have never had a single oil issue w/ any of my cars, work trucks or
> motorcycles. the oil in my '99 and my 4cyl. '02 camry get changed every
> 3,000 - 3,500k miles so i've been through my share of (Fram # PH4967

Extra
> Guard) filters especially the '99. on the '99 use at least 9 filters a

year
> and i buy them by the case and have been since i got tired of buying three
> or 4 at a time. for oil i use Walmart oil 5-30 that i stock up on that i
> usually paid $0.79-$0.89 p/qt. and sometimes i buy other brands (like

Exxon)
> of 5-30 when they are on sale for around a $1.00 or so w/ mail in rebates.
> as a mattter of fact, i doing a oil change this morning on my '02.
>
> Happy New Year......
>
> mike................
>
>



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Old 01 Jan 2006, 04:58 pm   #10 (permalink)
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Bob Giel wrote:
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> In the interest of open disclosure, I change the oil and filter in
> every vehicle as close to 3,000 miles as possible, no matter what the
> manufacturers say about longer intervals, and I don't


snip

> before, I have NEVER had a sludge related problem in any engine I
> own(ed). Of course, it must be said, there is no sludge in my Camry,
> either!

snip

Your diligent maintenance of your vehicles prevents you from having sludge
and/or gelling problems. So, you have answered your own question on how to
prevent sludge in any vehicle, Toyota or other.
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