camry v6 balljoint removal: advise needed from a tech

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Old 31 Dec 2005, 01:09 am   #1 (permalink)
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Default camry v6 balljoint removal: advise needed from a tech

I'm in the process this weekend of replacing the front lower control
arms on my wife's 93 v6 xle camry. The old rear rubber bushings (large
2" dia) of each of the existing control arms is torn and I think it is
the source of some creaking noise she is hearing. The new control arms
came with new ball joints so I figured I would replace the existing
joints as well. I'm having a problem though removing the castlenut of
one of the balljoints with an open-ended wrench (19mm) from the
steering knuckle. It does not seem possible to get a socket onto the
balljoint castlenut because the driveshaft dust deflector that seems to
be pressed into the knuckle is in the way. I noticed on the Alldata
site that the procedure to replace the balljoint mentions that this
deflector must be removed with a screwdriver first and then replaced
with a new one with some special bearing driver tool. I'm assuming a
new one is needed because the removal of it is destructive? As well,
I'm not even sure if a press is needed to press this dust deflector
back in or it is simply a matter of tapping it in with a hammer.

Are there any Toyota techs on here that can advise?

thanks

Dave

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Old 31 Dec 2005, 10:49 am   #2 (permalink)
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try also asking at Yahoo groups Toyotas_Only

you need to join (free) first, but several techs participate in that
group and I'm sure they can answer your question

you could also try

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.tech -- "comboverfish" there
would know he's a MDT

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let us know what you find out

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Old 31 Dec 2005, 12:03 pm   #3 (permalink)
Jason James
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"davemac" <davemac2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I'm in the process this weekend of replacing the front lower control
> arms on my wife's 93 v6 xle camry. The old rear rubber bushings (large
> 2" dia) of each of the existing control arms is torn and I think it is
> the source of some creaking noise she is hearing. The new control arms
> came with new ball joints so I figured I would replace the existing
> joints as well. I'm having a problem though removing the castlenut of
> one of the balljoints with an open-ended wrench (19mm) from the
> steering knuckle. It does not seem possible to get a socket onto the
> balljoint castlenut because the driveshaft dust deflector that seems to
> be pressed into the knuckle is in the way. I noticed on the Alldata
> site that the procedure to replace the balljoint mentions that this
> deflector must be removed with a screwdriver first and then replaced
> with a new one with some special bearing driver tool. I'm assuming a
> new one is needed because the removal of it is destructive? As well,
> I'm not even sure if a press is needed to press this dust deflector
> back in or it is simply a matter of tapping it in with a hammer.
>
> Are there any Toyota techs on here that can advise?
>
> thanks


You need to use ring-spanners. Open-ended wrenchs do more damage than good
on tight nuts. Once the nut is loose,..you leave it entered a few threads to
protect the threaded section of the ball-joint (in case you need to use it
again later). You then need to 'spring' the taper that the balljoint's peg
uses. This can be difficult if you haven't done it before, but basically,
you apply some separating force by the judicous use of a bottle-jack,..the
using 2 hammers, simultaneously strike both sides of the casting around the
peg from both sides (ie 180 degrees apart), The peg will come out, with only
the castellated nut stopping it falling right out. Remove nut and that part
of the lower arm is free.

The same procedure applies to all cars. Some use a puller to apply the
separating force.

Jason


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Old 31 Dec 2005, 01:54 pm   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: camry v6 balljoint removal: advise needed from a tech

Jason, I assume what you mean by a ring spanner is what is also
referred to as a flare wrench; open on a single side. I don't think I
can even get that on there unless I remove that dust deflector, but
I'll check again to be sure.

thanks

dave

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Old 31 Dec 2005, 11:00 pm   #5 (permalink)
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"davemac" <davemac2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Jason, I assume what you mean by a ring spanner is what is also
> referred to as a flare wrench; open on a single side. I don't think I
> can even get that on there unless I remove that dust deflector, but
> I'll check again to be sure.
>
> thanks
>
> dave


If you go into auto-barn,..you'll see spanners which have a complete circle
on one end and an open ender the other. Or you may see double-ended
ring-spanners. These are the only spanner to use apart from sockets, on
cars.Open enders are useful for taking off an allready loosened bolt or
nut,..or doing one up. A socket or ring-spanner does the hard work without
rounding off the hex-corners. Ring spanners also fit in tight spots very
well.

best o luck

Jason


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Old 01 Jan 2006, 08:27 am   #6 (permalink)
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Default Re: camry v6 balljoint removal: advise needed from a tech

Harbor Freight has a tie rod end puller that is the right size for the
ball joint for $6.95 in my area.
I believe the "ring spanner" is what we call a "combination wrench" or
"box end" wrench - but as I understood the original poster's question,
he can't fit one of those without removing the dust shield and wanted
to know how to press fit a new one, or if the old shield could be re
used.

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Old 01 Jan 2006, 08:43 am   #7 (permalink)
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BTW, the hot ticket for front end work is an air powered impact wrench.
I bought one to change the front axle, and if you could fit an impact
socket for the ball joint would easily spin off that castellated nut -
I realize this doesn't answer the question about the dust shield. -- so
I looked up the official procedure in the Toyota Factory Service
Manual, Volume 2.
Looks like the dust shield is just a thin piece of sheet metal. The
official procedure says you pry out the old one using the tip of a flat
bladed screw driver - so it couldn't be pressed in too tightly if
they're telling you just pry it out with a standard screw driver.
For installation they show a special tool - and driving it in with a
hammer -- but they show special tools for many things. To drive in a
seal, generally all you need is something the same diameter that you
can hit with a hammer. For example, in driving the crankshaft oil seal
without a special tool, I found a piece of plumbing drain pipe at Home
Depot that was just the right size and drove it in with a small 2 lb.
sledge hammer, carefully tapping. If you're lucky, you'll find some
kind of pipe that can be used to drive the dust shield back in.
As a less desirable second alternate, in a pinch, you could probably
find a way to use a cold chisel or drift punch carefully working around
the edge, but would be much better to drive it in flat with a pipe
because you're pressing it flat all the way around all at once.

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Old 01 Jan 2006, 08:54 am   #8 (permalink)
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one more thing . . .
doesn't look like you need a new dust shield - if so, the manual would
state "non reusable part"

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Old 01 Jan 2006, 08:57 pm   #9 (permalink)
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Default Re: camry v6 balljoint removal: advise needed from a tech

Just an update on this. I actually had to remove this driveshaft dust
deflector to torque down a new balljoint. I ended up buying one
($13.50) at a Toyota dealer just in case, but it actually came out
fairly easily with a screwdriver undamaged. I ended up getting off the
old balljoint nut with a different 19mm spanner wrench. It was also
fairly easily to tap back in with a hammer and small wood block, but to
do it you really need to remove the strut from the knuckle to get
better visibility.

The control arm/new balljoint changeout was another story. Turned into
a bit of a nightmare when I ended up stripping the bolts on the new
balljoint that was preinstalled on the new afermarket control arm. I
was not too happy with that. I also found out that the new control arm
bolt holes for the ball joint were not large like the oem part in order
to accept the special collar bolts the oem balljoint uses. I think
next time I will try to find a rubber bushing set for the existing oem
control arms and get them pressed in. I've heard they exist.

Thanks for all the replies here.

Dave

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