87 camry won't start sometimes, without a push

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Old 03 Jan 2006, 01:27 pm   #1 (permalink)
chuck_donahue
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Default 87 camry won't start sometimes, without a push

Hi,
I have a 1987 camry,2.0 5 speed stick shift (thank goodnes) 229,xxx miles
runs great most of the time. but when it sits for more than a day it is a
bear to start.
today i went out to start it (i just returned from a 5 day trip, we didn't
take the toyota) it will turn over but will not start. it does run a little
after you stop trying to start it (more like dieseling than running) then a
puff of smoke out the air cleaner. i even gave it a squirt of starting
fluid. ran/dieseled longer but won't start. so i had my girlfriend give me
a push with my van and poped the clutch after a little sputtering it fired
right up.I drove it around a little, then i pulled back in the driveway,
shut it off, then tried to start it again. it fired right up!

I have changed the plugs, wires, cap, and rotor.
This car has been doing this for a long time, but if it is driven daily
there is hardly ever a problem.
any one have any ideas?

thanks for looking
Chuck

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Old 03 Jan 2006, 01:42 pm   #2 (permalink)
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Did you check the timing with a timing light. Is it getting spark when
it tries.

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Old 03 Jan 2006, 02:22 pm   #3 (permalink)
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I checked for spark, yes it had a good spark on all 4 spark plugs. I didn't
check with a timing light (I don't have one) but I would think if it runs
good "most" of the time i shouldn't be out of time, would it?

thanks for the reply
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Old 03 Jan 2006, 03:16 pm   #4 (permalink)
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Timing affects milage power and starting. If it isnt electric its fuel
related, I cant say if its timimg but old belts stretch.

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Old 03 Jan 2006, 06:55 pm   #5 (permalink)
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well after I got it started with a push from my van, it runs GREAT. starts
right up, without a push! I have driven ot about 60 miles and started it
about 20 times since i push started it.I don't understand it! It is hard
to fix somthing that isn't broke. I tried everything, I had spark, I had
gas, I even gave it some starting fluid. But now it runs like a new car,
but if I let it sit for more than a day I am back to fighting with it.

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Old 03 Jan 2006, 07:22 pm   #6 (permalink)
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chuck_donahue wrote:
> Hi,
> I have a 1987 camry,2.0 5 speed stick shift (thank goodnes) 229,xxx miles
> runs great most of the time. but when it sits for more than a day it is a
> bear to start.
> today i went out to start it (i just returned from a 5 day trip, we didn't
> take the toyota) it will turn over but will not start. it does run a little
> after you stop trying to start it (more like dieseling than running) then a
> puff of smoke out the air cleaner. i even gave it a squirt of starting
> fluid. ran/dieseled longer but won't start. so i had my girlfriend give me
> a push with my van and poped the clutch after a little sputtering it fired
> right up.I drove it around a little, then i pulled back in the driveway,
> shut it off, then tried to start it again. it fired right up!
>
> I have changed the plugs, wires, cap, and rotor.
> This car has been doing this for a long time, but if it is driven daily
> there is hardly ever a problem.
> any one have any ideas?
>
> thanks for looking
> Chuck
>

Check the inside of the cap for moisture.
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Old 03 Jan 2006, 10:11 pm   #7 (permalink)
m Ransley
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If it gets spark then its fuel related

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Old 04 Jan 2006, 05:35 am   #8 (permalink)
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m Ransley wrote:
> If it gets spark then its fuel related
>

Not necessarily. It is possible to get a nice hot spark but have it be
to the wrong plug when there is cross firing going on inside a tracked
cap. I have seen this happen many times over the years. I know it
doesn't make sense that it would fire up when push started but then
again neither does a fuel problem. It's the sputtering, dieseling, puff
of smoke description description combined with the lack of starting with
starting fluid that leads me to think it's ignition and not fuel related.
I curious to hear your reasoning as to why you think it's fuel related
other than it gets a spark so it must be fuel, and as to why it starts
when pushed.
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Old 04 Jan 2006, 08:45 am   #9 (permalink)
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Im just guessing . Maybe you are right maybe spark voltage is higher on
pushing since no starter load is draining it.

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Old 04 Jan 2006, 08:02 pm   #10 (permalink)
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m Ransley wrote:
> Im just guessing . Maybe you are right maybe spark voltage is higher on
> pushing since no starter load is draining it.
>

I'm just guessing as well. If it is moisture (or a tracking crack) in
the cap it should be easy enough see. Does the part about trouble
starting after the car sits for a few days fit with the moisture in the
cap ?
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