94 camry front driver side axle tends to slip out of differential housing

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Old 14 Feb 2006, 10:33 am   #1 (permalink)
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Default 94 camry front driver side axle tends to slip out of differential housing

I replaced front driver side axle assembly of my 94 camry couple of
months ago. Recently I started to hear weired sounds from axle while
making sharp turns. Also the car would not stay in one lane, it started
deflecting towards left significantly. My mechanic says that axle is
slipping out of differential housing. It did not come out completely,
but he saw it come out few mms since he installed it couple of months
back. He says its a major repair to take out differential and
transmission unit (its a single unit in 94 camry) and repairt it.

Any suggestions, tips, comments are welcome.

Thanks
josh

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Old 14 Feb 2006, 10:51 am   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: 94 camry front driver side axle tends to slip out of differential housing

josh, 2/14/2006, 11:33:55 AM,
<1139934835.537558.45220@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups. com> wrote:

> I replaced front driver side axle assembly of my 94 camry couple of
> months ago. Recently I started to hear weired sounds from axle while
> making sharp turns. Also the car would not stay in one lane, it
> started deflecting towards left significantly. My mechanic says that
> axle is slipping out of differential housing. It did not come out
> completely, but he saw it come out few mms since he installed it
> couple of months back. He says its a major repair to take out
> differential and transmission unit (its a single unit in 94 camry)
> and repairt it.
>
> Any suggestions, tips, comments are welcome.
>
> Thanks
> josh


There was a thread similar to this a few months back. The fellow had
to reinsert the axle several times and eventually it turned out to be a
defective aftermarket axle.

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Old 14 Feb 2006, 02:18 pm   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: 94 camry front driver side axle tends to slip out of differential housing

I noticed the problem 2 months after replacing the axle. I took the car
to mechanic yesterday and had him replace the axle. But now the problem
has aggreviated. Its almost impossible to make the car drive straight
and on turns it makes hell lot of noise. So I have 2 theories here.

1. As badgolferman mentioned, it could a problem with aftermarket
axles. And the new axle I put yesterday, may be worse than the one I
bought 2 months ago. So the problem is more visible with this new axle.

2. As my mechanic suggests (he is not sure), it could be a differential
housing problem. Hence my axle started making noise after 2 months and
the problem doesn't go away even after putting a new axle.

The question is how do I drill down further. My mechanic's solution is
to have differential rebuilt which would cost me a fortune and after
opening the whole thing it may turn out that there is nothing wrong
with differential.

Thanks
Uday

badgolferman wrote:
> josh, 2/14/2006, 11:33:55 AM,
> <1139934835.537558.45220@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups. com> wrote:
>
> > I replaced front driver side axle assembly of my 94 camry couple of
> > months ago. Recently I started to hear weired sounds from axle while
> > making sharp turns. Also the car would not stay in one lane, it
> > started deflecting towards left significantly. My mechanic says that
> > axle is slipping out of differential housing. It did not come out
> > completely, but he saw it come out few mms since he installed it
> > couple of months back. He says its a major repair to take out
> > differential and transmission unit (its a single unit in 94 camry)
> > and repairt it.
> >
> > Any suggestions, tips, comments are welcome.
> >
> > Thanks
> > josh

>
> There was a thread similar to this a few months back. The fellow had
> to reinsert the axle several times and eventually it turned out to be a
> defective aftermarket axle.
>
> --
> "Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially
> denied." ~ Otto Von Bismark


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Old 14 Feb 2006, 04:10 pm   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: 94 camry front driver side axle tends to slip out of differential housing

Toyota makes a remanufactured axle for your car that is like new - but
less costly.
I recently paid $132 for the passenger axle on the '94 Camry which is
longer and includes a carrier bearing. The Toyota axles use the right
grease, the latest compound for the boots, clean the splines free of
any burrs, and balance the assembly - plus you know they're made to fit
your exact vehicle.
Unless the axle you had installed chewed up the side gear, or a lot of
leakage occurred and was driven low on fluid, the differential should
be fine.
Maybe the best advise would be to take the car to a Toyota dealer. They
change axles all the time and they never fall out even a little bit.
I got the competitive price by shopping online, doing the installation
labor myself, and embarrassing the parts manager by pointing out they
had the wrong part number - one digit was off and it would fit Solara,
not Camry.
The other poster is right. Not long ago someone got an axle from
AutoZone that was the wrong length for their car, and it came loose.
Again, if the correct part is properly installed, that will never
happen.

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Old 15 Feb 2006, 01:03 pm   #5 (permalink)
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Default Re: 94 camry front driver side axle tends to slip out of differential housing

Daniel

Thanks a lot for the reply. By any chance do you have the part # for
the right type of axle (or even the part # for the wrong part provided
by store will do)? Even I have a remanufcatured toyota part. But I
still want to verify that its not the same wrong parts problem you
faced.

1. BTW, Its a 94 automatic transmission. Car runs smoothly.
2. There is no fluid leakage.
3. Changing gears (automatic) is very smooth.
4. I changed left front axle assembly with a remanufactured part 2
months ago. For last two months every thing was fine.

Suddenly (yes, I mean it. I drove the car for 80-100 miles on Sunday
with no issues. Monday morning the car started showing following
problems.
1. Loud noise while makking turns (It sounds like the noise generated
when your tyre passes over those yellow lane marking reflectors)
2. Car drifts towards left.
3. I immediately took it to my mechanic. His first resolution was to
replace the axle with another remanufcatured axle. This stopped the
noise. But my mechanic did not see anything wrong with the axle he
pulled out. So he asked me to drive with the new axle for a while. I
started driving back home and after few minutes on a right turn again I
heard a loud noise from axle and again car started drifting towards
left. But this time it was worse, it was almost impossible to control
it. So I stopped by a friends house and parked it there. I am going to
tow it back to my mechanic.

Thanks
Uday

Daniel wrote:
> Toyota makes a remanufactured axle for your car that is like new - but
> less costly.
> I recently paid $132 for the passenger axle on the '94 Camry which is
> longer and includes a carrier bearing. The Toyota axles use the right
> grease, the latest compound for the boots, clean the splines free of
> any burrs, and balance the assembly - plus you know they're made to fit
> your exact vehicle.
> Unless the axle you had installed chewed up the side gear, or a lot of
> leakage occurred and was driven low on fluid, the differential should
> be fine.
> Maybe the best advise would be to take the car to a Toyota dealer. They
> change axles all the time and they never fall out even a little bit.
> I got the competitive price by shopping online, doing the installation
> labor myself, and embarrassing the parts manager by pointing out they
> had the wrong part number - one digit was off and it would fit Solara,
> not Camry.
> The other poster is right. Not long ago someone got an axle from
> AutoZone that was the wrong length for their car, and it came loose.
> Again, if the correct part is properly installed, that will never
> happen.


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Old 19 Feb 2006, 05:55 am   #6 (permalink)
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"josh" <joshiuday@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Daniel
>
> Thanks a lot for the reply. By any chance do you have the part # for
> the right type of axle (or even the part # for the wrong part provided
> by store will do)? Even I have a remanufcatured toyota part. But I
> still want to verify that its not the same wrong parts problem you
> faced.
>
> 1. BTW, Its a 94 automatic transmission. Car runs smoothly.
> 2. There is no fluid leakage.
> 3. Changing gears (automatic) is very smooth.
> 4. I changed left front axle assembly with a remanufactured part 2
> months ago. For last two months every thing was fine.
>
> Suddenly (yes, I mean it. I drove the car for 80-100 miles on Sunday
> with no issues. Monday morning the car started showing following
> problems.
> 1. Loud noise while makking turns (It sounds like the noise generated
> when your tyre passes over those yellow lane marking reflectors)
> 2. Car drifts towards left.
> 3. I immediately took it to my mechanic. His first resolution was to
> replace the axle with another remanufcatured axle. This stopped the
> noise. But my mechanic did not see anything wrong with the axle he
> pulled out. So he asked me to drive with the new axle for a while. I
> started driving back home and after few minutes on a right turn again I
> heard a loud noise from axle and again car started drifting towards
> left. But this time it was worse, it was almost impossible to control
> it. So I stopped by a friends house and parked it there. I am going to
> tow it back to my mechanic.
>
> Thanks
> Uday


The lefthand axle has a set screw which locates the axle carrier -bearing.
Now on the road-wheel side of that bearing is a sliding joint which allows
axial-movement of the driveshaft,...so on the diff side the axle (or
driveshaft) should remain rigid and in place.

Now it could be the axle is sliding in the carrier-bearing inner track,
which could allow the axle to move out of the diff. This shouldn't happen if
the snapring has locked into place inside the differential.

The mechanic is supposed to tap the axle end into the diff until firm
resistance is felt and presumabley the snap ring has expanded into place. If
the external support bearing is allowing axle movement, the axle may need
remanufacturing.

Jason


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Old 19 Feb 2006, 08:30 am   #7 (permalink)
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Jason - the left axle in Autralia has the carrier bearing and lock
bolt, but in the US, the left axle is the shorter one.

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Old 19 Feb 2006, 08:57 am   #8 (permalink)
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Uday,
Assuming you have the steering wheel on the left side, -- the part
number for my '94 Camry passenger side axle -- not the one you're
replacing, but the other side was: 43410-06151-84 - for Japanese
manufacture (not sure if it makes a difference, but was specified).
So if they find that number, the axle for the other side should be
listed right next to it.
Also bear in mind the snap ring is listed in the Factory Service Manual
as a "non reusable part." It would seem obvious, but seems to me
mechanics tend to ignore this -- you're supposed to replace that part -
not reuse it.
The reason I say mechanics tend to overlook this, is that originally, I
was going to have the dealer install the axle after I ordered the part
- and we were ordering the axle only.
After I decided to replace the part myself, and began studying the
manual I saw the non reusable parts - for the passenger side: snap
ring, carrier bearing lock bolt, plus tie rod end and axle nut cotter
pins.
When I did the work, I found the old carrier bolt - with a missing tip
- the actual part that holds the bearing, plus re used tie rod end
cotter pin. The snap ring looked fine, but I can only assume, the prior
mechanic who replaced the axle boot previously, didn't replace the snap
ring either.
Dealer list on that part was $32.39 and I paid $18.58. Both seem
ridiculously high for a simple part, but when the manual says replace,
I replace it.
If I'm understanding correctly, you have the shorter left side axle
without the carrier bearing - but you still have a snap ring on the end
of the axle at the differential side that where the manual calls for
replacement - and if you didn't pay separately, looks like you didn't
get a new snap ring. Personally, I always use only factory Toyota
parts. I'm less concerned about the price than getting something that
fits and functions like new. But I do shop online and strive to get the
best pricing. Sometimes though, for smaller parts, I buy at the local
dealer and help pay for their overhead and profit. By the way, for the
driver side axle, the snap ring is much smaller, thus should be lower
priced, since it secures the axle end, not the carrier bearing.

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Old 20 Feb 2006, 11:28 am   #9 (permalink)
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"Daniel" <nospampls2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Jason - the left axle in Autralia has the carrier bearing and lock
> bolt, but in the US, the left axle is the shorter one.



Wouldn't tht mean the transaxle itself is also reversed? I dont think the
diff is ezactly in the middle of the car's axis. The other point is
describing LHS and RHS of the vehicle. Some mean when viewed from standing
in front of the car (facing the car), others when seated in the car.

In Australia, the longer driveshaft (axle) is on the RHS when viewed
standing in front of the car.


:-) Jason


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