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Old 24 Feb 2006, 10:25 am   #1 (permalink)
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Steve W. wrote:
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> http://www.vinpower.com/vininformation.aspx



Thanks for that great link, Steve. I really enjoyed reading
the detailed information. Unfortunately, we still don't have an
answer as to why three separate numbers in the first VIN position
can refer to the United States: 1, 4, and 5.

We know that 2 refers to Canada, and 3 means Mexico, but why
should the U.S.A. have 3 numbers devoted to it?
Mike says the 3 different numbers make distinctions as to the percentage
of North American auto parts found in a vehicle--with 1 being the
highest percentage and 5 the lowest. The only problem with that is
we've seen Camry VINs starting with a 4 that have Origin Stickers
showing 80 percent North American parts, and we've seen Sienna
VINs beginning with a 5 that show 90 percent American parts.

Mike, you still might be right, but you're not providing us with
any sources to back up your claim, and sources to explain the Sienna
and Camry examples.

I've now spent 21 dollars at LexisNexis.com, downloading 7 different
documents, and I still haven't found a definitive answer as to the
Mystical Meanings of "1," "4," and "5"...

Can you believe it: each of the documents I've read says that 1, 4,
and 5 mean United States, but none describes the differences between
1, 4, and 5! [chuckle] How exasperating.

Whoever comes up with this answer deserves a free vacation to
Las Vegas, paid for by the regulars of this Toyota newsgroup!
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Old 24 Feb 2006, 10:54 am   #2 (permalink)
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"Built_Well" <bw@bbbb.com> wrote in message
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> Steve W. wrote:
>>
>> http://www.vinpower.com/vininformation.aspx

>
>
> Thanks for that great link, Steve. I really enjoyed reading
> the detailed information. Unfortunately, we still don't have an
> answer as to why three separate numbers in the first VIN position
> can refer to the United States: 1, 4, and 5.
>
> We know that 2 refers to Canada, and 3 means Mexico, but why
> should the U.S.A. have 3 numbers devoted to it?


> Mike says the 3 different numbers make distinctions as to the percentage
> of North American auto parts found in a vehicle--with 1 being the
> highest percentage and 5 the lowest. The only problem with that is
> we've seen Camry VINs starting with a 4 that have Origin Stickers
> showing 80 percent North American parts, and we've seen Sienna
> VINs beginning with a 5 that show 90 percent American parts.
>
> Mike, you still might be right, but you're not providing us with
> any sources to back up your claim, and sources to explain the Sienna
> and Camry examples.
>
> I've now spent 21 dollars at LexisNexis.com, downloading 7 different
> documents, and I still haven't found a definitive answer as to the
> Mystical Meanings of "1," "4," and "5"...
>
> Can you believe it: each of the documents I've read says that 1, 4,
> and 5 mean United States, but none describes the differences between
> 1, 4, and 5! [chuckle] How exasperating.
>
> Whoever comes up with this answer deserves a free vacation to
> Las Vegas, paid for by the regulars of this Toyota newsgroup!


You are worrying way too much about on this.

If you really MUST know... the numbers for Toyotas correspond to the
assembly plants.
1= NUMMI
2 = Cambridge, Ontario
4 = Georgetown, KY
5 = Princeton, IN

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Old 24 Feb 2006, 12:49 pm   #3 (permalink)
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"Built_Well" <bw@bbbb.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks for that great link, Steve. I really enjoyed reading
> the detailed information. Unfortunately, we still don't have an
> answer as to why three separate numbers in the first VIN position
> can refer to the United States: 1, 4, and 5.
>
> We know that 2 refers to Canada, and 3 means Mexico, but why
> should the U.S.A. have 3 numbers devoted to it?
> Mike says the 3 different numbers make distinctions as to the percentage
> of North American auto parts found in a vehicle--with 1 being the
> highest percentage and 5 the lowest. The only problem with that is
> we've seen Camry VINs starting with a 4 that have Origin Stickers
> showing 80 percent North American parts, and we've seen Sienna
> VINs beginning with a 5 that show 90 percent American parts.
>
> Mike, you still might be right, but you're not providing us with
> any sources to back up your claim, and sources to explain the Sienna
> and Camry examples.
>
> I've now spent 21 dollars at LexisNexis.com, downloading 7 different
> documents, and I still haven't found a definitive answer as to the
> Mystical Meanings of "1," "4," and "5"...
>
> Can you believe it: each of the documents I've read says that 1, 4,
> and 5 mean United States, but none describes the differences between
> 1, 4, and 5! [chuckle] How exasperating.
>
> Whoever comes up with this answer deserves a free vacation to
> Las Vegas, paid for by the regulars of this Toyota newsgroup!


I believe that it refers to the percent of domestic parts content in car,
even though all are assembled in US or Canada.


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Old 24 Feb 2006, 05:06 pm   #4 (permalink)
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Decoding Your Toyota VIN
**Model Years 1982-1995**

*1989: newer VIN Plate on passenger cars is located on the inside of
drivers door*

*Prior to 1989: VIN Plate is located on firewall within engine
compartment*

Digit Position Position
---------------- -----------

#1------------------------Country-J=Japan

#2------------------------Manufacturer-T=Toyota

#3------------------------Type-2=Passenger Car


#4-#8--------------------Line,Series,BodyType,Engine,Restraint
**********************(not necessarily in this order) ****************

#9------------------------Check Digit

#10-----------------------Year- B=1981 C=1982
D=1983 E=1984
F=1985 G=1986
H=1987 J=1988
K=1989 L=1990
M=1991 N=1992
P=1993 R=1994
S=1995


#11-------------------------Assembly Plant-
C= Ontario, Canada
O= Supra plants
U=Gergetown, Kentucky
Z=Fremont, California

#12 - #18------------------Sequential Production Number





On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:49:32 -0700, "Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>"Built_Well" <bw@bbbb.com> wrote in message
>news:SYydnS5lpryvrmLeRVn-qQ@sysmatrix.net...
>> Thanks for that great link, Steve. I really enjoyed reading
>> the detailed information. Unfortunately, we still don't have an
>> answer as to why three separate numbers in the first VIN position
>> can refer to the United States: 1, 4, and 5.
>>
>> We know that 2 refers to Canada, and 3 means Mexico, but why
>> should the U.S.A. have 3 numbers devoted to it?
>> Mike says the 3 different numbers make distinctions as to the percentage
>> of North American auto parts found in a vehicle--with 1 being the
>> highest percentage and 5 the lowest. The only problem with that is
>> we've seen Camry VINs starting with a 4 that have Origin Stickers
>> showing 80 percent North American parts, and we've seen Sienna
>> VINs beginning with a 5 that show 90 percent American parts.
>>
>> Mike, you still might be right, but you're not providing us with
>> any sources to back up your claim, and sources to explain the Sienna
>> and Camry examples.
>>
>> I've now spent 21 dollars at LexisNexis.com, downloading 7 different
>> documents, and I still haven't found a definitive answer as to the
>> Mystical Meanings of "1," "4," and "5"...
>>
>> Can you believe it: each of the documents I've read says that 1, 4,
>> and 5 mean United States, but none describes the differences between
>> 1, 4, and 5! [chuckle] How exasperating.
>>
>> Whoever comes up with this answer deserves a free vacation to
>> Las Vegas, paid for by the regulars of this Toyota newsgroup!

>
>I believe that it refers to the percent of domestic parts content in car,
>even though all are assembled in US or Canada.
>


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Old 24 Feb 2006, 05:07 pm   #5 (permalink)
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Tips to understanding your vehicles serial (VIN) number

They are as follows:

1st character- Identifies the country in which the vehicle was
manufactured.
For example: U.S.A.(1or4), Canada(2), Mexico(3), Japan(J), Korea(K),
England(S), Germany(W), Italy(Z)

2nd character- Identifies the manufacturer. For example; Audi(A),
BMW(B), Buick(4), Cadillac(6), Chevrolet(1), Chrysler(C), Dodge(B),
Ford(F), GM Canada(7), General Motors(G), Honda(H), Jaquar(A),
Lincoln(L), Mercedes Benz(D), Mercury(M), Nissan(N), Oldsmobile(3),
Pontiac(2or5), Plymouth(P), Saturn(8), Toyota(T), VW(V), Volvo(V).

3rd character- Identifies vehicle type or manufacturing division.

4th to 8th characters- Identifies vehicle features such as body style,
engine type, model, series, etc.

9th character- Identifies VIN accuracy as check digit.

10th character- Identifies the model year. For example: 1988(J),
1989(K), 1990(L), 1991(M), 1992(N), 1993(P), 1994(R), 1995(S),
1996(T),
1997(V), 1998(W), 1999(X), 2000(Y)------2001(1), 2002(2), 2003(3)

11th character- Identifies the assembly plant for the vehicle.

12th to 17th characters- Identifies the sequence of the vehicle for
production
as it rolled of the manufacturers assembly line.
On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:49:32 -0700, "Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>"Built_Well" <bw@bbbb.com> wrote in message
>news:SYydnS5lpryvrmLeRVn-qQ@sysmatrix.net...
>> Thanks for that great link, Steve. I really enjoyed reading
>> the detailed information. Unfortunately, we still don't have an
>> answer as to why three separate numbers in the first VIN position
>> can refer to the United States: 1, 4, and 5.
>>
>> We know that 2 refers to Canada, and 3 means Mexico, but why
>> should the U.S.A. have 3 numbers devoted to it?
>> Mike says the 3 different numbers make distinctions as to the percentage
>> of North American auto parts found in a vehicle--with 1 being the
>> highest percentage and 5 the lowest. The only problem with that is
>> we've seen Camry VINs starting with a 4 that have Origin Stickers
>> showing 80 percent North American parts, and we've seen Sienna
>> VINs beginning with a 5 that show 90 percent American parts.
>>
>> Mike, you still might be right, but you're not providing us with
>> any sources to back up your claim, and sources to explain the Sienna
>> and Camry examples.
>>
>> I've now spent 21 dollars at LexisNexis.com, downloading 7 different
>> documents, and I still haven't found a definitive answer as to the
>> Mystical Meanings of "1," "4," and "5"...
>>
>> Can you believe it: each of the documents I've read says that 1, 4,
>> and 5 mean United States, but none describes the differences between
>> 1, 4, and 5! [chuckle] How exasperating.
>>
>> Whoever comes up with this answer deserves a free vacation to
>> Las Vegas, paid for by the regulars of this Toyota newsgroup!

>
>I believe that it refers to the percent of domestic parts content in car,
>even though all are assembled in US or Canada.
>


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Old 24 Feb 2006, 05:21 pm   #6 (permalink)
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On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:07:51 -0500, clare at snyder.on.ca wrote:

>
>
>Tips to understanding your vehicles serial (VIN) number
>
>They are as follows:
>
>1st character- Identifies the country in which the vehicle was
>manufactured.
>For example: U.S.A.(1or4), Canada(2), Mexico(3), Japan(J), Korea(K),
>England(S), Germany(W), Italy(Z)
>
>2nd character- Identifies the manufacturer. For example; Audi(A),
>BMW(B), Buick(4), Cadillac(6), Chevrolet(1), Chrysler(C), Dodge(B),
>Ford(F), GM Canada(7), General Motors(G), Honda(H), Jaquar(A),
>Lincoln(L), Mercedes Benz(D), Mercury(M), Nissan(N), Oldsmobile(3),
>Pontiac(2or5), Plymouth(P), Saturn(8), Toyota(T), VW(V), Volvo(V).
>
>3rd character- Identifies vehicle type or manufacturing division.
>
>4th to 8th characters- Identifies vehicle features such as body style,
>engine type, model, series, etc.
>
>9th character- Identifies VIN accuracy as check digit.
>
>10th character- Identifies the model year. For example: 1988(J),
>1989(K), 1990(L), 1991(M), 1992(N), 1993(P), 1994(R), 1995(S),
>1996(T),
>1997(V), 1998(W), 1999(X), 2000(Y)------2001(1), 2002(2), 2003(3)
>
>11th character- Identifies the assembly plant for the vehicle.
>
>12th to 17th characters- Identifies the sequence of the vehicle for
>production
>as it rolled of the manufacturers assembly line.



My 2005 Tacoma starts with 5TEUU42...

It's made in Fremont, CA, USA @ NUMMI, so I'm assuming "5" as a first
digit is USA.
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Old 24 Feb 2006, 05:59 pm   #7 (permalink)
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"Bonehenge" <Keep_it_in_the_newsgroup_please@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:07:51 -0500, clare at snyder.on.ca wrote:
>

<snipped>
>
> My 2005 Tacoma starts with 5TEUU42...
>
> It's made in Fremont, CA, USA @ NUMMI, so I'm assuming "5" as a first
> digit is USA.



OK, that kills my theory!
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Old 24 Feb 2006, 06:56 pm   #8 (permalink)
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I've posted that information several times

'1' Made in the US of at least 75% American parts.
'4' Assembled in the US of up to 70%, but not less than 40%, American
parts.
'5' Assembled in the US of less than 40% American parts.

It has been a long time since I needed to know, so I don't remember for sure
which digit it is, but the forth or fifth designates the restraint type.
A different letter for manual bets, automatic belts, driver only bag, driver
and passenger bag, side air bag, curtain air bags, whatever.

One can search the Congressional Record of the NHTSA VIN numbers required
for vehicles offered for sale in the US
..
mike hunt



<clare at snyder.on.ca> wrote in message
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>
>
> Tips to understanding your vehicles serial (VIN) number
>
> They are as follows:
>
> 1st character- Identifies the country in which the vehicle was
> manufactured.
> For example: U.S.A.(1or4), Canada(2), Mexico(3), Japan(J), Korea(K),
> England(S), Germany(W), Italy(Z)
>
> 2nd character- Identifies the manufacturer. For example; Audi(A),
> BMW(B), Buick(4), Cadillac(6), Chevrolet(1), Chrysler(C), Dodge(B),
> Ford(F), GM Canada(7), General Motors(G), Honda(H), Jaquar(A),
> Lincoln(L), Mercedes Benz(D), Mercury(M), Nissan(N), Oldsmobile(3),
> Pontiac(2or5), Plymouth(P), Saturn(8), Toyota(T), VW(V), Volvo(V).
>
> 3rd character- Identifies vehicle type or manufacturing division.
>
> 4th to 8th characters- Identifies vehicle features such as body style,
> engine type, model, series, etc.
>
> 9th character- Identifies VIN accuracy as check digit.
>
> 10th character- Identifies the model year. For example: 1988(J),
> 1989(K), 1990(L), 1991(M), 1992(N), 1993(P), 1994(R), 1995(S),
> 1996(T),
> 1997(V), 1998(W), 1999(X), 2000(Y)------2001(1), 2002(2), 2003(3)
>
> 11th character- Identifies the assembly plant for the vehicle.
>
> 12th to 17th characters- Identifies the sequence of the vehicle for
> production
> as it rolled of the manufacturers assembly line.
> On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:49:32 -0700, "Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"Built_Well" <bw@bbbb.com> wrote in message
>>news:SYydnS5lpryvrmLeRVn-qQ@sysmatrix.net...
>>> Thanks for that great link, Steve. I really enjoyed reading
>>> the detailed information. Unfortunately, we still don't have an
>>> answer as to why three separate numbers in the first VIN position
>>> can refer to the United States: 1, 4, and 5.
>>>
>>> We know that 2 refers to Canada, and 3 means Mexico, but why
>>> should the U.S.A. have 3 numbers devoted to it?
>>> Mike says the 3 different numbers make distinctions as to the percentage
>>> of North American auto parts found in a vehicle--with 1 being the
>>> highest percentage and 5 the lowest. The only problem with that is
>>> we've seen Camry VINs starting with a 4 that have Origin Stickers
>>> showing 80 percent North American parts, and we've seen Sienna
>>> VINs beginning with a 5 that show 90 percent American parts.
>>>
>>> Mike, you still might be right, but you're not providing us with
>>> any sources to back up your claim, and sources to explain the Sienna
>>> and Camry examples.
>>>
>>> I've now spent 21 dollars at LexisNexis.com, downloading 7 different
>>> documents, and I still haven't found a definitive answer as to the
>>> Mystical Meanings of "1," "4," and "5"...
>>>
>>> Can you believe it: each of the documents I've read says that 1, 4,
>>> and 5 mean United States, but none describes the differences between
>>> 1, 4, and 5! [chuckle] How exasperating.
>>>
>>> Whoever comes up with this answer deserves a free vacation to
>>> Las Vegas, paid for by the regulars of this Toyota newsgroup!

>>
>>I believe that it refers to the percent of domestic parts content in car,
>>even though all are assembled in US or Canada.
>>

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Old 28 Feb 2006, 01:32 am   #9 (permalink)
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<clare at snyder.on.ca> wrote in message
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>
> Decoding Your Toyota VIN
> **Model Years 1982-1995**
>
> *1989: newer VIN Plate on passenger cars is located on the inside of
> drivers door*
>
> *Prior to 1989: VIN Plate is located on firewall within engine
> compartment*
>
> Digit Position Position
> ---------------- -----------
>
> #1------------------------Country-J=Japan
>
> #2------------------------Manufacturer-T=Toyota
>
> #3------------------------Type-2=Passenger Car
>
>
> #4-#8--------------------Line,Series,BodyType,Engine,Restraint
> **********************(not necessarily in this order) ****************
>
> #9------------------------Check Digit
>
> #10-----------------------Year- B=1981 C=1982
> D=1983 E=1984
> F=1985 G=1986
> H=1987 J=1988
> K=1989 L=1990
> M=1991 N=1992
> P=1993 R=1994
> S=1995
>
>
> #11-------------------------Assembly Plant-
> C= Ontario, Canada
> O= Supra plants
> U=Gergetown, Kentucky
> Z=Fremont, California
>
> #12 - #18------------------Sequential Production Number




Here are some Ford VINs. The curious thing that I have noticed about all
Ford Motor Company VINs is that the last 6 digits always begin with a
letter, rather than a number. I have never seen the last 6 digits of a VIN
for any other manufacturer that wasn't all numbers.

1FTYR10U93TA14791 - Ranger PU
1FTYR10D74PA26948 - Ranger PU
1FTYR10D34PA26963 - Ranger PU
1FTYR10D34PA27000 - Ranger PU
1FTYR10VX3PA43449 - Ranger PU
1FTYR10D14PA59590 - Ranger PU
1FTYR10D54PA59592 - Ranger PU
1FTYR10D64PA59603 - Ranger PU
1FTYR10D23PA73013 - Ranger PU
1FTYR10UX3PB66894 - Ranger PU
1FTNE24LOYHB56267 - Ford Econoline Van



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