1994 Toyota Camry problems

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Old 15 Mar 2006, 03:46 am   #1 (permalink)
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Several months ago I brought my 4-cylendar, auto-trans camry to a local
shop for major maintenance work (120,000 miles on it). After the work,
I noticed there are new problems that I never had:

1. Poor gas mileage: 15 mpg. (used to be 22+ mpg)
2. Some noise coming from engine when accelerating.
3. Some noise coming from rear (muffler side) when accelerating.
4. Noticeable engine vibration when car reach 3000 rpm, especially in
low gears.

I brought it back to the local shop but they denied any wrong doing and
refuse to any further service to fix the problems. Here are the works
they've done (listed in the statement.)

..Change oil & filter
..Clean and adjust brakes rear
..Drain & refill differential
..Drain & refill radiator
..Drain & refill transmission
..Install air filter
..Install fuel injection chemical
..Install spark plugs
..Replace brake fluid
..Replace distributor cap
..Replace fuel filter
..Replace motor mount
..Replace PCV valve
..Replace radiator
..Replace valve cover gasket
..Replace wire - 4 Cyl
..Replace cam & crank seales
..Replace timing belt

Can any one know which part(s) of works causing the problems? The car
used to run very nice untill the local shop ruin it.

Thank you in advance.

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Old 15 Mar 2006, 06:34 am   #2 (permalink)
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Take it to another shop, besides starting it without oil in the motor or
maybe your differential not being filled the Timing may be not set or
brakes may be adjusted to tight, You dont need to adjust rear brakes ,
they auto adjust. Get a pro to look it over who can say.

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Old 15 Mar 2006, 06:37 am   #3 (permalink)
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HO, 3/15/2006, 4:46:53 AM,
<1142416013.911454.84150@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups. com> wrote:

> Several months ago I brought my 4-cylendar, auto-trans camry to a
> local shop for major maintenance work (120,000 miles on it). After
> the work, I noticed there are new problems that I never had:
>
> 1. Poor gas mileage: 15 mpg. (used to be 22+ mpg)
> 2. Some noise coming from engine when accelerating.
> 3. Some noise coming from rear (muffler side) when accelerating.
> 4. Noticeable engine vibration when car reach 3000 rpm, especially in
> low gears.
>
> I brought it back to the local shop but they denied any wrong doing
> and refuse to any further service to fix the problems. Here are the
> works they've done (listed in the statement.)
>
> .Change oil & filter
> .Clean and adjust brakes rear
> .Drain & refill differential
> .Drain & refill radiator
> .Drain & refill transmission
> .Install air filter
> .Install fuel injection chemical
> .Install spark plugs
> .Replace brake fluid
> .Replace distributor cap
> .Replace fuel filter
> .Replace motor mount
> .Replace PCV valve
> .Replace radiator
> .Replace valve cover gasket
> .Replace wire - 4 Cyl
> .Replace cam & crank seales
> .Replace timing belt
>
> Can any one know which part(s) of works causing the problems? The car
> used to run very nice untill the local shop ruin it.
>
> Thank you in advance.


Those items seem like routine jobs required around that mileage. The
vibration could definetly be related to the motor mounts. You may have
to replace the other two also. My 94 Camry had problems with vibration
for a long time that I never quite eliminated. I suspected the
remanufactured right axle being out of balance but never replaced it
again.

The noise from the muffler area could be a loose clamp, heat shield, or
hole.

The remainder may be related to their work. I find it disconcerting
that they don't even want to check to see what may be wrong. They may
have left a vacuum hose or such disconnected. You may have to take it
elsewhere and find out what is wrong then decide if it is related to
the original shop's incompetence. From there you may be able to get
consumer agencies involved.

--
“Get all the fools on your side and you can be elected to anything.” ~
Frank Dane
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Old 15 Mar 2006, 07:21 am   #4 (permalink)
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Retarded timing of 4 degrees can reduce milage and power by 4 Mpg. Get
another Pro to go over everything, even look at the brakes to see if
they drag and were over tightened. Mechanics have made simple mistakes
like forgetting to put in oil, but I hope that is not your issue.

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Old 15 Mar 2006, 10:35 am   #5 (permalink)
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The rear brakes auto-adjust? Really?

I have a '96 camry, and the rear brake shoes still look brand new after
133k miles. Asked the guy at Brake Masters if this was normal, and he
said the brakes need adjusting (a $30 job).

After he adjusted, I notice the parking brake is a bit stiffer (more
resistance when I pull it).

So, did I just get screwed over $30, or is this legit?

- One Happy Madman

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Old 15 Mar 2006, 10:37 am   #6 (permalink)
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HO wrote:
> Several months ago I brought my 4-cylendar, auto-trans camry to a local
> shop for major maintenance work (120,000 miles on it). After the work,
> I noticed there are new problems that I never had:
>
> 1. Poor gas mileage: 15 mpg. (used to be 22+ mpg)
> 2. Some noise coming from engine when accelerating.
> 3. Some noise coming from rear (muffler side) when accelerating.
> 4. Noticeable engine vibration when car reach 3000 rpm, especially in
> low gears.
>
> I brought it back to the local shop but they denied any wrong doing and
> refuse to any further service to fix the problems. Here are the works
> they've done (listed in the statement.)
>
> .Change oil & filter
> .Clean and adjust brakes rear
> .Drain & refill differential
> .Drain & refill radiator
> .Drain & refill transmission
> .Install air filter
> .Install fuel injection chemical
> .Install spark plugs
> .Replace brake fluid
> .Replace distributor cap
> .Replace fuel filter
> .Replace motor mount
> .Replace PCV valve
> .Replace radiator
> .Replace valve cover gasket
> .Replace wire - 4 Cyl
> .Replace cam & crank seales
> .Replace timing belt
>
> Can any one know which part(s) of works causing the problems? The car
> used to run very nice untill the local shop ruin it.
>
> Thank you in advance.



Replace radiator and timing belt? No replacing water pump?

If they put a spark plug wire in loose, would this cause vibration too?

Was this an independent shop, or a franchise chain? Don't go there for
service any more... tell all your friends / family to stay away from
them.

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Old 15 Mar 2006, 10:45 am   #7 (permalink)
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Drum brakes self adjust when you back up and apply the brakes, if yours
don`t self adjust have it looked into as to why, unless you dont back up
and brake.

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Old 15 Mar 2006, 11:12 am   #8 (permalink)
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m Ransley wrote:
> Take it to another shop, besides starting it without oil in the motor or
> maybe your differential not being filled the Timing may be not set or
> brakes may be adjusted to tight, You dont need to adjust rear brakes ,
> they auto adjust. Get a pro to look it over who can say.


The rear brakes auto-adjust? Really?

I have a '96 camry, and the rear brake shoes still look brand new after
133k miles. Asked the guy at Brake Masters if this was normal, and he
said the brakes need adjusting (a $30 job).

After he adjusted, I notice the parking brake is a bit stiffer (more
resistance when I pull it).

So, did I just get screwed over $30, or is this legit?

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Old 15 Mar 2006, 11:16 am   #9 (permalink)
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On 15 Mar 2006 01:46:53 -0800, "HO" <kchinusa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Several months ago I brought my 4-cylendar, auto-trans camry to a local
>shop for major maintenance work (120,000 miles on it). After the work,
>I noticed there are new problems that I never had:
>
>1. Poor gas mileage: 15 mpg. (used to be 22+ mpg)
>2. Some noise coming from engine when accelerating.
>3. Some noise coming from rear (muffler side) when accelerating.
>4. Noticeable engine vibration when car reach 3000 rpm, especially in
>low gears.


I would think that if they incorrectly timed the cam belt, that it would cause
all 4 of your problems. I would take it to another Toyota dealer and pay them
to check the belt timing, and document if it's off. Then take the bill to the
other guys. I wouldn't drive it much till you get it fixed.

Jim
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Old 15 Mar 2006, 11:44 am   #10 (permalink)
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Jim wrote:
> On 15 Mar 2006 01:46:53 -0800, "HO" <kchinusa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Several months ago I brought my 4-cylendar, auto-trans camry to a local
> >shop for major maintenance work (120,000 miles on it). After the work,
> >I noticed there are new problems that I never had:
> >
> >1. Poor gas mileage: 15 mpg. (used to be 22+ mpg)
> >2. Some noise coming from engine when accelerating.
> >3. Some noise coming from rear (muffler side) when accelerating.
> >4. Noticeable engine vibration when car reach 3000 rpm, especially in
> >low gears.

>
> I would think that if they incorrectly timed the cam belt, that it would cause
> all 4 of your problems. I would take it to another Toyota dealer and pay them
> to check the belt timing, and document if it's off. Then take the bill to the
> other guys. I wouldn't drive it much till you get it fixed.
>
> Jim


And speak with the manager if they refuse to pay. And don't be afraid
to threaten him with small-claims court.

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