HOW CAN i stop SMOKE ON cold STARTUP OF 98 CAMRY

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Old 24 Mar 2006, 01:49 am   #1 (permalink)
mcknight
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Default HOW CAN i stop SMOKE ON cold STARTUP OF 98 CAMRY

i have a 98 camry and it blows smoke for about 10 seconds on cold startup,
so im thinking about adding an oil additive such as stop smoke etc. which
claims to fix valve seals without replacement etc. to my car, do the work or
will it f@#% up my car or should i use a $ynthetic oil next time i change
the oil .


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Old 24 Mar 2006, 03:16 am   #2 (permalink)
Roy Blankenship
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"mcknight" <roslynmcknight@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> i have a 98 camry and it blows smoke for about 10 seconds on cold startup,
> so im thinking about adding an oil additive such as stop smoke etc. which
> claims to fix valve seals without replacement etc. to my car, do the work

or
> will it f@#% up my car or should i use a $ynthetic oil next time i change
> the oil .


My girlfriend's '91 Corolla has been blowing smoke at startup for over 7
years. We decided it wasn't worth $1000 to have the head done. If you want
to keep your car for a LONG time, I would belly up to the bar and have it
done right. Temporary fixes are just that, I like to think of things in
future tense, will I be saying to myself, "Man, I should have had that fixed
when I had the money!", or will I be saying, "Damn, I won the lottery, good
thing I didn't waste money on that beater!! Where is my limo?"


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Old 24 Mar 2006, 06:43 am   #3 (permalink)
m Ransley
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It harms Nothing and is actualy good for the motor. Startup is the
hardest few seconds on an engine when the cilinder has no oil.

My 91 always has done it and at its last emissions test it looks like
it could go to 400000m before it pollutes past the legal amount.

Did you know many race cars have a oil air pressure assist for startup
on race cars. Read up, startup it is said causes 50% of a motors wear,
that little bit of oil that leaked by the valve seals and is fumimg like
a 2 stroke is free lubrication of your cilinder walls. My 105000m 4 cil
burns 1/2 -1 qt in 5000 miles, there is your true indication of an
engines condition, that and the pollution test I must do every year.

I actualy like what it does, my plugs burn clean, I burn no more oil
than a new car, my compression, milage and pollution test are great.
Before catalytic converters many "motor heads" put oil in the gas and it
was sold as "Top Oil" for immediate upper end starting lube. Be happy,
it actualy helps you.

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Old 24 Mar 2006, 06:51 am   #4 (permalink)
m Ransley
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Roy , It is not an issue which has gotten worse over my cars years, it
is not an issue unless regular oil consumption increases, even then if
consumption increases you must determine if it is not the rings, which
because of the lubricating properties of the situation increases the
rings life. Think about this, how does a 2 stroke motor lube itself,
through the gas, right. Four strokes do it through the oil pump, which
is at Zero lb on start up and it takes 3-5 seconds to get that oil
pumping. That is also why synthetics and 5-30 is better than 10-30,
Startup Starvation.

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Old 24 Mar 2006, 07:48 pm   #5 (permalink)
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You really are correct about the harm of a cold start-up. Many years
ago, Ford did a longevity test in which they ran some new cars continuously
for 100,000 miles at speeds averaging 80 mph. The tests were reported in
the Society of Automotive Engineers publication. Ford tore down the engines
and found that almost every part in every engine was still within factory
manufactured specs! Ford concluded that one cold start (below 30 Deg. F)
caused about the same wear on a car engine as driving at normal operating
temperature from New York to Los Angeles!

Think about that the next time you start you car.

Dick



"m Ransley" <ransley@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> It harms Nothing and is actualy good for the motor. Startup is the
> hardest few seconds on an engine when the cilinder has no oil.
>
> My 91 always has done it and at its last emissions test it looks like
> it could go to 400000m before it pollutes past the legal amount.
>
> Did you know many race cars have a oil air pressure assist for startup
> on race cars. Read up, startup it is said causes 50% of a motors wear,
> that little bit of oil that leaked by the valve seals and is fumimg like
> a 2 stroke is free lubrication of your cilinder walls. My 105000m 4 cil
> burns 1/2 -1 qt in 5000 miles, there is your true indication of an
> engines condition, that and the pollution test I must do every year.
>
> I actualy like what it does, my plugs burn clean, I burn no more oil
> than a new car, my compression, milage and pollution test are great.
> Before catalytic converters many "motor heads" put oil in the gas and it
> was sold as "Top Oil" for immediate upper end starting lube. Be happy,
> it actualy helps you.
>



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Old 24 Mar 2006, 10:48 pm   #6 (permalink)
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"m Ransley" <ransley@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Roy , It is not an issue which has gotten worse over my cars years, it
> is not an issue unless regular oil consumption increases, even then if
> consumption increases you must determine if it is not the rings, which
> because of the lubricating properties of the situation increases the
> rings life. Think about this, how does a 2 stroke motor lube itself,
> through the gas, right. Four strokes do it through the oil pump, which
> is at Zero lb on start up and it takes 3-5 seconds to get that oil
> pumping. That is also why synthetics and 5-30 is better than 10-30,
> Startup Starvation.


On the odd ocassion, a piece of carbon can lodge under a valve-lip,...but
its not that common.


Jason


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Old 27 Mar 2006, 08:44 am   #7 (permalink)
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auto-rx.com and Lucas oil stabilizer
I'm not convinced the small amount of oil seeping past the valve guide
seals overnight has any beneficial effect on lubricating the cylinder
walls on cold start.
I do suspect it helps carbon foul the oxygen sensor more rapidly, and
not sure it helps the catalytic converter either.
Lucas clings to parts thereby eliminating dry starts, and for me,
stopped the puff of smoke on cold start - haven't seen it for the last
60,000 miles.
I also used one bottle of auto-rx first, not sure if that made any
difference, but could only help.

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Old 27 Mar 2006, 08:30 pm   #8 (permalink)
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Most likely the valve stem seals are leaking. But it's major work even
for those of us who can take care of it. High-mileage oils or oil
additives are supposed to help in these situations.

But stem seals aren't the only reason for oil leaks and smoke at start
up. Worn piston rings is another. Then there is the early sign of
engine sludge, coupled with oil consumption.

For most people fortunately, it's oil stem seals that are leaking.

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Old 28 Mar 2006, 06:49 am   #9 (permalink)
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Of course it lubricates cilinders, you see the oil smoke, its being
burnt off. Since it is a one secnd occurance, the oil is burnt off upon
the cilinders first firing, my plugs and sensor are clean Ive seen no
il effects. Remember it occurs for a second, it has no comparison to
constant oil burning that lowers cilinder temps that fouls and carbons
up heads, pistons and plugs. Continous oil burning causes harm.

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Old 28 Mar 2006, 08:42 am   #10 (permalink)
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You've got the earlier version engine - maybe yours is different. If it
works for you, you're at peace about it, and find no adverse affects,
that's fine.
Remebering back to when I used to have this problem, it would sometimes
last more than a second and great billowing clouds of smoke would
appear - I'd guess maybe more like three to five seconds. Then
sometimes I wouldn't get it at all.
Now it's gone - and I'm glad it's gone.
You must use the Microsoft operating sytem "it's not a bug - it's a
'feature.'"

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