Motor and Transmission Mounts

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Old 03 Apr 2006, 11:54 am   #1 (permalink)
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Yesterday, while backing my 97 Camry (approx. 74,500 miles) into a
parking space I heard small pops/clicks coming from near the front
right tire every second or so the car was in reverse. Later in the day,
when I was pulling the car out of a spot in reverse, I heard the same
small clicks or pops. I have only heard these sounds when the car is in
reverse. After looking at some of the posts here, I thought it might
be the boot or CV joint. When I took the Camry into a local chain
mechanic, they said that the noise was the engine banging into the
firewall and that the motor and transmission mounts needed to be
replaced. They said that the boots were fine. They said that they
could only replace all these mounts with original Toyota parts. They
quoted me a price of $500 for the parts and $250 for the labor and
asked for a deposit of $200 for the parts. Does their diagnosis and the
price quoted sound right? Should I get a second opinion?

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Old 03 Apr 2006, 01:29 pm   #2 (permalink)
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John516 wrote:
> Yesterday, while backing my 97 Camry (approx. 74,500 miles) into a
> parking space I heard small pops/clicks coming from near the front
> right tire every second or so the car was in reverse. Later in the day,
> when I was pulling the car out of a spot in reverse, I heard the same
> small clicks or pops. I have only heard these sounds when the car is in
> reverse. After looking at some of the posts here, I thought it might
> be the boot or CV joint. When I took the Camry into a local chain
> mechanic, they said that the noise was the engine banging into the
> firewall and that the motor and transmission mounts needed to be
> replaced. They said that the boots were fine. They said that they
> could only replace all these mounts with original Toyota parts. They
> quoted me a price of $500 for the parts and $250 for the labor and
> asked for a deposit of $200 for the parts. Does their diagnosis and the
> price quoted sound right? Should I get a second opinion?



Oh get the second opinion anyway. Get 3 quotes, that's how I do things
now...

Have you ever replaced the top engine mount? (Looks like a dog bone.)
It's about $50 from Toyota, maybe cheaper from Napa or from
www.toyotadiscountparts.com. Easy do-it-yourself job. I did it last
year on my '96 camry - the mount looked really worn. See if that
helps...

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Old 03 Apr 2006, 03:27 pm   #3 (permalink)
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To clarify the problem, the Camry makes a couple of popping sounds when
in reverse and only when being driven counter clockwise in reverse.

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Old 03 Apr 2006, 06:14 pm   #4 (permalink)
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John516 wrote:
> To clarify the problem, the Camry makes a couple of popping sounds when
> in reverse and only when being driven counter clockwise in reverse.


ONLY when the steering wheel is turned hard to the right, and ONLY in
reverse?

Weird. (Get a second opinion.)

Changed your differential fluid lately? 70,000+ miles, it's definitely
time for a change...

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Old 03 Apr 2006, 06:36 pm   #5 (permalink)
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Yup. That's right. Only in reverse and hard to the right.

I changed the differential fluid about a month ago.

Why did you mention the differential fluid?

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Old 03 Apr 2006, 06:39 pm   #6 (permalink)
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John516 wrote:
> Yup. That's right. Only in reverse and hard to the right.
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> I changed the differential fluid about a month ago.
>
> Why did you mention the differential fluid?



Curious, that the sound will only happen while the steering wheel is
turned... that's why I mentioned it.

Oh well. This one is for brighter minds than mine...

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Old 04 Apr 2006, 12:15 pm   #7 (permalink)
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John516 wrote:
When I took the Camry into a local chain
> mechanic, they said that the noise was the engine banging into the
> firewall

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If they actually said that they've got to be completely wrong.
I would never allow anyone who said that to touch the car.
Most likely is wear in the CV joints.
If you only hear the noise in reverse on one side, this may not require
repair - perhaps just an indication the joints are wearing.
If it were me, I'd lift the car, put on a pair of gloves and twist the
axle at the outer joint to check for excessive play. Perhpas you could
find (another) reputable mechanic to do this for you. Or even the
Toyota dealer. My local dealer does not charge for diagnosis prior to
repair - and once you receive an extimate you are not obligated to have
the work done at that time.
As long as the boots are intact - holding al the original grease, you
should be ok. If you choose to replace the half shafts, you could plan
ahead for a convenient time.

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Old 04 Apr 2006, 12:42 pm   #8 (permalink)
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Daniel wrote:
> John516 wrote:
> When I took the Camry into a local chain
> > mechanic, they said that the noise was the engine banging into the
> > firewall

> ==========================
> If they actually said that they've got to be completely wrong.
> I would never allow anyone who said that to touch the car.
> Most likely is wear in the CV joints.
> If you only hear the noise in reverse on one side, this may not require
> repair - perhaps just an indication the joints are wearing.
> If it were me, I'd lift the car, put on a pair of gloves and twist the
> axle at the outer joint to check for excessive play. Perhpas you could
> find (another) reputable mechanic to do this for you. Or even the
> Toyota dealer. My local dealer does not charge for diagnosis prior to
> repair - and once you receive an extimate you are not obligated to have
> the work done at that time.


You are so lucky! The dealer here in Sacramento wanted $90 just to see
what could be causing my oil leak in my '96 camry.

Took it to a local mechanic later for a compression test, and he told
me for free "by the way, your oil leak is coming from the distributor
O-ring."

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Old 05 Apr 2006, 10:39 am   #9 (permalink)
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Maybe it's the way my scenario unfolded that led me to believe free
diagnosis was standard. Every time I go in there I feel I'm paying a
substantial premium but the front brakes locked up to the point where
the car was not really drivable. I got it to the dealer for repair,
being willing to pay probably $250 more than I thought it should be
just for the convenience of being able to drive the car again. I left
instructions that I wanted a price from them before they did any work
and the service advisor said "of course, we would never do work on the
car without your prior approval."
Diagnosis came back "need to replace the calipers" price was $525. I
would have been willing to pay $350 and I told them. So they put the
car back together and I picked it up -- no charge.
Had been planning to replace the brake parts when they wore out anyway
so this just accelerated the schedule.
Now practically all brake system components are new including calipers
($59.90 ea.) brake disks (rotors) brake flex lines, pads, shim and fit
kits - installed with the care and thoroughness that an owner can
provide. Also changed the left half shaft, had been seeping grease from
the inner CV joint for some time.

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