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Old 03 Apr 2006, 06:12 pm   #1 (permalink)
Bob Greasepan
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Default Okay, so what did I do wrong?

I should have known better, but I decided to replace the spark-plugs and
spark-plug wires myself in my 96 Camry with 155K. Well, after the job I
thought all went well until the engine started missing. I have the wires
hooked up to the proper outlets on the dist cap that's for sure. But there
are now external sparks that come from one (or more) of the spark-plug
wires and jump to some other other wire(s) in the engine, causing the
engine to mis-fire. So what did I do wrong? (besides attempting this
myself:-)
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Old 03 Apr 2006, 06:16 pm   #2 (permalink)
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Bob Greasepan wrote:
> I should have known better, but I decided to replace the spark-plugs and
> spark-plug wires myself in my 96 Camry with 155K. Well, after the job I
> thought all went well until the engine started missing. I have the wires
> hooked up to the proper outlets on the dist cap that's for sure. But there
> are now external sparks that come from one (or more) of the spark-plug
> wires and jump to some other other wire(s) in the engine, causing the
> engine to mis-fire. So what did I do wrong? (besides attempting this
> myself:-)



You plugged the spark plug wires into the little plastic wire holders,
right? (You didn't rip them off and throw them away, did you?)

Those wire holders should space the wires apart enough to keep them
from arcing...

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Old 03 Apr 2006, 06:23 pm   #3 (permalink)
m Ransley
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New wires, and they arch, where are they arching. Are you sure the boots
on the plugs are seated

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Old 03 Apr 2006, 06:26 pm   #4 (permalink)
Bob Greasepan
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Default Re: Okay, so what did I do wrong?

onehappymadman@yahoo.com wrote in
news:1144106218.602602.25860@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com:

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> Bob Greasepan wrote:
>> I should have known better, but I decided to replace the spark-plugs
>> and spark-plug wires myself in my 96 Camry with 155K. Well, after the
>> job I thought all went well until the engine started missing. I have
>> the wires hooked up to the proper outlets on the dist cap that's for
>> sure. But there are now external sparks that come from one (or more)
>> of the spark-plug wires and jump to some other other wire(s) in the
>> engine, causing the engine to mis-fire. So what did I do wrong?
>> (besides attempting this myself:-)

>
>
> You plugged the spark plug wires into the little plastic wire holders,
> right? (You didn't rip them off and throw them away, did you?)
>
> Those wire holders should space the wires apart enough to keep them
> from arcing...


Yes, I've kept those wire-holders. But the sparks are coming from one
spark-plug wire near the dist-cap to some unrelated wire near it. Is it
just a matter of getting this one, problem spark-plug wire away from that
other, unrelated wire? (Thanks!)
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Old 03 Apr 2006, 06:34 pm   #5 (permalink)
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Bob Greasepan wrote:
> onehappymadman@yahoo.com wrote in
> news:1144106218.602602.25860@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com:
>
> >
> > Bob Greasepan wrote:
> >> I should have known better, but I decided to replace the spark-plugs
> >> and spark-plug wires myself in my 96 Camry with 155K. Well, after the
> >> job I thought all went well until the engine started missing. I have
> >> the wires hooked up to the proper outlets on the dist cap that's for
> >> sure. But there are now external sparks that come from one (or more)
> >> of the spark-plug wires and jump to some other other wire(s) in the
> >> engine, causing the engine to mis-fire. So what did I do wrong?
> >> (besides attempting this myself:-)

> >
> >
> > You plugged the spark plug wires into the little plastic wire holders,
> > right? (You didn't rip them off and throw them away, did you?)
> >
> > Those wire holders should space the wires apart enough to keep them
> > from arcing...

>
> Yes, I've kept those wire-holders. But the sparks are coming from one
> spark-plug wire near the dist-cap to some unrelated wire near it. Is it
> just a matter of getting this one, problem spark-plug wire away from that
> other, unrelated wire? (Thanks!)



Could be. (That "unrelated" wire wouldn't happen to be the one at the
center of the distributor cap, would it?)

Try and separate them. With the engine off, please! (zZZZAP, Ouch!!)

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Old 03 Apr 2006, 06:58 pm   #6 (permalink)
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onehappymadman@yahoo.com wrote in
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> Bob Greasepan wrote:
>> onehappymadman@yahoo.com wrote in
>> news:1144106218.602602.25860@z34g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com:
>>
>> >
>> > Bob Greasepan wrote:
>> >> I should have known better, but I decided to replace the
>> >> spark-plugs and spark-plug wires myself in my 96 Camry with 155K.
>> >> Well, after the job I thought all went well until the engine
>> >> started missing. I have the wires hooked up to the proper outlets
>> >> on the dist cap that's for sure. But there are now external sparks
>> >> that come from one (or more) of the spark-plug wires and jump to
>> >> some other other wire(s) in the engine, causing the engine to
>> >> mis-fire. So what did I do wrong? (besides attempting this
>> >> myself:-)
>> >
>> >
>> > You plugged the spark plug wires into the little plastic wire
>> > holders, right? (You didn't rip them off and throw them away, did
>> > you?)
>> >
>> > Those wire holders should space the wires apart enough to keep them
>> > from arcing...

>>
>> Yes, I've kept those wire-holders. But the sparks are coming from one
>> spark-plug wire near the dist-cap to some unrelated wire near it. Is
>> it just a matter of getting this one, problem spark-plug wire away
>> from that other, unrelated wire? (Thanks!)

>
>
> Could be. (That "unrelated" wire wouldn't happen to be the one at the
> center of the distributor cap, would it?)
>
> Try and separate them. With the engine off, please! (zZZZAP, Ouch!!)



I'll try tomorrow and report back. ty.
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Old 03 Apr 2006, 07:18 pm   #7 (permalink)
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That is a cap-wire set, right, the wires at the cap don`t come off. Im
sure these are aftermarket, You have a defect and need a new set.

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Old 03 Apr 2006, 09:36 pm   #8 (permalink)
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In article <Xns979ABB8CB4214jdhfgjkdshfgjkdhf@216.196.97.131> ,
Bob Greasepan <y@i.com> wrote:

> Yes, I've kept those wire-holders. But the sparks are coming from one
> spark-plug wire near the dist-cap to some unrelated wire near it. Is it
> just a matter of getting this one, problem spark-plug wire away from that
> other, unrelated wire? (Thanks!)


Sounds to me like you have a defective spark-plug wire. This is probably
not a set you got from a Toyota dealer, is it?

That "unrelated" wire is in its proper location, I assume.

Merritt
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Old 04 Apr 2006, 08:50 am   #9 (permalink)
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"Bob Greasepan" <b@pan> wrote in message
news:Xns979AB945FCFC3jdhfgjkdshfgjkdhf@216.196.97. 131...
> I should have known better, but I decided to replace the spark-plugs and
> spark-plug wires myself in my 96 Camry with 155K. Well, after the job I
> thought all went well until the engine started missing. I have the wires
> hooked up to the proper outlets on the dist cap that's for sure. But there
> are now external sparks that come from one (or more) of the spark-plug
> wires and jump to some other other wire(s) in the engine, causing the
> engine to mis-fire. So what did I do wrong? (besides attempting this
> myself:-)


If you can see sparking voltage arcing across to anything,..then the
insulation of the spark-plug wire has failed. We are talking about a bright
white to blue arc here? If yes, the leads are no good.

However, if you mean the arcing is occuring as viewed in near cpmplete or
complete darkness as a ghostly looking arc,..that is not leakage, but corona
which is relatively normal.

Jason


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Old 04 Apr 2006, 12:24 pm   #10 (permalink)
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Default Re: Okay, so what did I do wrong?

Bob Greasepan wrote:
> I should have known better, but I decided to replace the spark-plugs and
> spark-plug wires myself --- there
> are now external sparks that come from one (or more) of the spark-plug
> wires

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As another poster suggested, get rid of those wires and buy new wires
from the Toyota dealer (or online genuine parts) and install them
exactly as the originals.
It has often been reported that after market electrical components can
cause problems.
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Hey, some of us are slow learners.
I changed the water pump on my Toyota truck a number of years ago, with
a water pump from Pep Boys. A while later the shaft fell out on the
freeway and I had to pay to be towed apx. 50 miles home.
Didn't feel like doing the work myself, so I had a trusted local
radiator shop install a new NAPA water pump. Last Sunday, it failed and
I paid $85 to be towed apx. 17 miles to home.
This time --- I bought the Toyota water pump.

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