87 toyota camry won't start again

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Old 05 Apr 2006, 11:07 am   #1 (permalink)
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Default 87 toyota camry won't start again

I have an 87 camry that will not start. When I turn the ignition key there
is no response. I have power to everything else, just the starter will not
engage. This happened a month ago, so I replaced the starter and everything
worked fine again... until last week. I got into the car and turned the key
and nothing. I replaced the started again thinking it was just a bad one.
This time the car started fine for a little over a week. This morning I went
to start the car and nothing again. If anyone has any ideas I would greatly
appreciate the help.

Thanks in advance,

Stephen
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Old 05 Apr 2006, 12:22 pm   #2 (permalink)
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In article <5e545402eafca@uwe>, "next2norml" <u20532@uwe> wrote:

> I have an 87 camry that will not start. When I turn the ignition key there
> is no response. I have power to everything else, just the starter will not
> engage. This happened a month ago, so I replaced the starter and everything
> worked fine again... until last week. I got into the car and turned the key
> and nothing. I replaced the started again thinking it was just a bad one.
> This time the car started fine for a little over a week. This morning I went
> to start the car and nothing again. If anyone has any ideas I would greatly
> appreciate the help.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Stephen


Those kind of symptoms sound like a faulty neutral safety switch to me.
It probably has worn or dirty contacts.

Assuming it is an automatic transmission, it should start in either Park
or Neutral. I have had cars that would start in one position but not in
the other. I also have had to move the shift lever back and forth through
its full range before it would start.

On a manual transmission, the switch is associated with the clutch pedal.

I think the switch is located near the transmission and can be easily
disassembled and cleaned, but a dealer would probably just replace it (at
a fairly high cost).

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Old 05 Apr 2006, 12:22 pm   #3 (permalink)
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next2norml wrote:
> I have an 87 camry that will not start. When I turn the ignition key there
> is no response. I have power to everything else, just the starter will not
> engage. This happened a month ago, so I replaced the starter and everything
> worked fine again... until last week. I got into the car and turned the key
> and nothing. I replaced the started again thinking it was just a bad one.
> This time the car started fine for a little over a week. This morning I went
> to start the car and nothing again. If anyone has any ideas I would greatly
> appreciate the help.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Stephen



When you turn the key, do the lights in the car darken *a lot*?

If so, your battery might be weak... even if it does power the stereo
and dash lights, it might not have the juice to turn the starter (which
takes A LOT of power).

Lots of places do free battery tests... I know Brake Masters does, not
sure if there's one in your area...

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Old 05 Apr 2006, 01:24 pm   #4 (permalink)
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Sorry for the lengthy response. Thanks for the suggestions, I think I may
have left some things out that I have replaced. This whole ordeal started
with a bad alternator. I found this out after replacing the battery twice.
The alternator kept testing OK when I went to the parts store until the
second battery. After that the car worked fine for nearly 4 months, then the
starter became sluggish. It's problems started out with the regular sounds
the starter would make but slow engage/engine starting. This proceeded for
about a month. The next symptom was that the starter would "click" one time
like it was trying to engage but the engine wouldn't turn over. I tried
running through the gears and moving the wiggling the Key in the ignition,
and this would usually get it started. Each time I would just get that
initial "click" like it was trying to engage, but nothing would happen until
it would finally start( usually within 5 or 6 attempts). When I finally got
enough money together, I replaced the starter and the car worked fine from
Feb 22 until march 28. On the 28th the ignition would kind of "click" like
it was trying to engage but nothing happened. I was stuck on the side of the
road. Luckily it was near the place that I had bought the starter, so I ran
down there and got another one. This second replacement lasted until april 5,
when the symptoms happened again. I turn the Key and the initial "click"
like it is trying to engage, but nothing happens. The lights on the dash are
fine everything works, Power windows/locks, radio, lights, except for the
starting. I thought it may be the battery so I tried starting it with the
headlights on, and they hardly even dimmed. Is there something electrical
that could be shorting out the starter and if so does anyone know where I
should even begin looking ?

onehappymadman@yahoo.com wrote:
>> I have an 87 camry that will not start. When I turn the ignition key there
>> is no response. I have power to everything else, just the starter will not

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>>
>> Stephen

>
>When you turn the key, do the lights in the car darken *a lot*?
>
>If so, your battery might be weak... even if it does power the stereo
>and dash lights, it might not have the juice to turn the starter (which
>takes A LOT of power).
>
>Lots of places do free battery tests... I know Brake Masters does, not
>sure if there's one in your area...

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Old 05 Apr 2006, 01:26 pm   #5 (permalink)
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Yes this car is an automatic transmission, is this switch easy to get to ? I
am a poor college student and can't afford a costy dealer replacement job.
Has anyone ever tried to replace one of these ?

Merritt Mullen wrote:
>> I have an 87 camry that will not start. When I turn the ignition key there
>> is no response. I have power to everything else, just the starter will not

>[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>>
>> Stephen

>
>Those kind of symptoms sound like a faulty neutral safety switch to me.
>It probably has worn or dirty contacts.
>
>Assuming it is an automatic transmission, it should start in either Park
>or Neutral. I have had cars that would start in one position but not in
>the other. I also have had to move the shift lever back and forth through
>its full range before it would start.
>
>On a manual transmission, the switch is associated with the clutch pedal.
>
>I think the switch is located near the transmission and can be easily
>disassembled and cleaned, but a dealer would probably just replace it (at
>a fairly high cost).
>
>Merritt

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Old 06 Apr 2006, 10:58 am   #6 (permalink)
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Sorry to have to tell you this if you're short on money, but sometimes
rebuilt aftermarket starters can be junk.
I once went through something like seven generators under a "lifetime"
warranty, until I got tired of it and bought the factory unit - no more
problems since then.
Started to have the same experience with a Pep Boys starter on my
Toyota truck but after the second time of changing the starter, I 'd
had enough, bought the Toyota remanufactured starter and never had
another problem - plus that truck often sits for long periods of time
and the starter has to do a lot of cranking to get the engine
(carbureted) going - still works fine though.
Now that the original starter is gone it's too late, but usually you
can get them going again just by changing the copper contacts in the
solenoid that carry all the current during starting and tend to pit and
wear over time.
By the way, you may be interested to know the difference between
"rebuilt" and "remanufactured". Rebuilt they change only what went bad.
Don't know if it's true but have heard some rebuilders do little more
than put fresh spray paint on the old starter. "Remanufactured" like
the genuine Toyota parts, means all parts that are subject to wear are
replaced, like the bearings, brushes, etc., even though they are in
working condition when tested - so presumably the reman. unit will last
a lot longer and you're not subject to a marginal part failing shortly
after the purchase.

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Old 06 Apr 2006, 11:34 am   #7 (permalink)
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Having gone through the "starter dance" a number of times in my younger
years, I started buying only official Toyota or Nissan "remanufactured
starters" from the dealer. Never had a problem.

Before that, just like you said, problem after problem. Not sure how
good a "premium NAPA reman starter would be. I suspect it would be
good, but I also suspect it would approach dealership prices.

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Old 06 Apr 2006, 01:45 pm   #8 (permalink)
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For rebuilt parts you can buy poorly or non rebuilt junk sicne that is
what these big parts stores usualy sell, once I went through 3 starters
till I got a new one. Once 2 alternators. See if the ground and cable
are good first to the starter, they can frey internaly and be hard to
see if its broken. You might just have a bad starter.

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Old 08 Apr 2006, 04:55 pm   #9 (permalink)
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next2norml wrote:
> Sorry for the lengthy response. Thanks for the suggestions, I think I may
> have left some things out that I have replaced. This whole ordeal started
> with a bad alternator. I found this out after replacing the battery twice.
> The alternator kept testing OK when I went to the parts store until the
> second battery. After that the car worked fine for nearly 4 months, then the
> starter became sluggish. It's problems started out with the regular sounds
> the starter would make but slow engage/engine starting. This proceeded for
> about a month. The next symptom was that the starter would "click" one time
> like it was trying to engage but the engine wouldn't turn over. I tried
> running through the gears and moving the wiggling the Key in the ignition,
> and this would usually get it started. Each time I would just get that
> initial "click" like it was trying to engage, but nothing would happen until
> it would finally start( usually within 5 or 6 attempts). When I finally got
> enough money together, I replaced the starter and the car worked fine from
> Feb 22 until march 28. On the 28th the ignition would kind of "click" like
> it was trying to engage but nothing happened. I was stuck on the side of the
> road. Luckily it was near the place that I had bought the starter, so I ran
> down there and got another one. This second replacement lasted until april 5,
> when the symptoms happened again. I turn the Key and the initial "click"
> like it is trying to engage, but nothing happens. The lights on the dash are
> fine everything works, Power windows/locks, radio, lights, except for the
> starting. I thought it may be the battery so I tried starting it with the
> headlights on, and they hardly even dimmed. Is there something electrical
> that could be shorting out the starter and if so does anyone know where I
> should even begin looking ?
>
> onehappymadman@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>>I have an 87 camry that will not start. When I turn the ignition key there
>>>is no response. I have power to everything else, just the starter will not

>>
>>[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>>
>>>Stephen

>>
>>When you turn the key, do the lights in the car darken *a lot*?
>>
>>If so, your battery might be weak... even if it does power the stereo
>>and dash lights, it might not have the juice to turn the starter (which
>>takes A LOT of power).
>>
>>Lots of places do free battery tests... I know Brake Masters does, not
>>sure if there's one in your area...


Did you check the power cables and their connections. Next time it
happens run jumper cables from the battery negative to ground and from
the battery positive to the starter solenoid and see what happens.
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