power: 4-cylinder Honda Civic Si vs. Camry LE?

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Old 24 Apr 2006, 02:01 pm   #1 (permalink)
onehappymadman@yahoo.com
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Default power: 4-cylinder Honda Civic Si vs. Camry LE?

I found that the Civic Si has a 197 hp (@7800rpm), 2L FOUR cylinder
engine.
http://automobiles.honda.com/models/...lName=Civic+Si

Compare to the Camry CE/LE 4-cylinder: 158hp@6000 rpm, 2.4L
http://www.toyota.com/images/vehicle...amry/specs.pdf

Is the Honda engine more efficient? (More power in a smaller volume,
2L vs. 2.4L?)

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Old 24 Apr 2006, 03:13 pm   #2 (permalink)
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check the torque figures... thats what matters in everyday driving....

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Old 24 Apr 2006, 04:34 pm   #3 (permalink)
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shirish.manjrekar@gmail.com wrote:
> check the torque figures... thats what matters in everyday driving....


Wow!

Camry: 161 ft-lb @ 4000 rpm
Civic Si: 139 ft-lb @ 6100 rpm

So assuming everything else is equal (the cars are loaded with the
exact same weight, for example), the Camry can pass semi trucks on the
highway faster than the Civic Si?

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Old 24 Apr 2006, 04:40 pm   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: power: 4-cylinder Honda Civic Si vs. Camry LE?

The camry also has the power where it is needed in real life, lower rpm.

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Old 24 Apr 2006, 08:16 pm   #5 (permalink)
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Default Re: power: 4-cylinder Honda Civic Si vs. Camry LE?

How about that Camry does not require premium gas, but gets better gas
mileage?


<onehappymadman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> shirish.manjrekar@gmail.com wrote:
>> check the torque figures... thats what matters in everyday driving....

>
> Wow!
>
> Camry: 161 ft-lb @ 4000 rpm
> Civic Si: 139 ft-lb @ 6100 rpm
>
> So assuming everything else is equal (the cars are loaded with the
> exact same weight, for example), the Camry can pass semi trucks on the
> highway faster than the Civic Si?
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Old 24 Apr 2006, 11:14 pm   #6 (permalink)
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Default Re: power: 4-cylinder Honda Civic Si vs. Camry LE?

The Honda requires premium gas ??!

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Old 24 Apr 2006, 11:45 pm   #7 (permalink)
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Default Re: power: 4-cylinder Honda Civic Si vs. Camry LE?

In article <1145905264.476858.187950@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
onehappymadman@yahoo.com wrote:

> I found that the Civic Si has a 197 hp (@7800rpm), 2L FOUR cylinder
> engine.
> http://automobiles.honda.com/models/...p?ModelName=Ci
> vic+Si
>
> Compare to the Camry CE/LE 4-cylinder: 158hp@6000 rpm, 2.4L
> http://www.toyota.com/images/vehicle...amry/specs.pdf
>
> Is the Honda engine more efficient? (More power in a smaller volume,
> 2L vs. 2.4L?)


Look at the difference in RPMs at which peak power is produced. If the
Camry could run at 7800 rpm, it would probably produce more power than the
Civic.

The truth is, unless you are a race driver, you will never run your Civic
at 7800 RPM, so you will never achieve that power output. Get a chart of
power vs. RPM and look at the 2000-4000 rpm range where you will normally
be operating. That is what you need to compare.

For efficiency, check fuel consumption, taking into account the different
weights of the vehicles.

Merritt
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Old 25 Apr 2006, 11:52 am   #8 (permalink)
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Default Re: power: 4-cylinder Honda Civic Si vs. Camry LE?

Only on some high performance models like Civic Si, or S2000.

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Old 25 Apr 2006, 01:09 pm   #9 (permalink)
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Merritt Mullen wrote:
> In article <1145905264.476858.187950@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
> onehappymadman@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > I found that the Civic Si has a 197 hp (@7800rpm), 2L FOUR cylinder
> > engine.
> > http://automobiles.honda.com/models/...p?ModelName=Ci
> > vic+Si
> >
> > Compare to the Camry CE/LE 4-cylinder: 158hp@6000 rpm, 2.4L
> > http://www.toyota.com/images/vehicle...amry/specs.pdf
> >
> > Is the Honda engine more efficient? (More power in a smaller volume,
> > 2L vs. 2.4L?)

>
> Look at the difference in RPMs at which peak power is produced. If the
> Camry could run at 7800 rpm, it would probably produce more power than the
> Civic.
>
> The truth is, unless you are a race driver, you will never run your Civic
> at 7800 RPM, so you will never achieve that power output. Get a chart of
> power vs. RPM and look at the 2000-4000 rpm range where you will normally
> be operating. That is what you need to compare.
>
> For efficiency, check fuel consumption, taking into account the different
> weights of the vehicles.
>
> Merritt



Now that is impressive... the Camry gets about 1-2 mpg better mileage
(EPA estimates), even though the Camry weighs about 400 lbs more than
the Civic Si.

Thanks all...

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Old 28 Apr 2006, 06:05 pm   #10 (permalink)
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<onehappymadman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I found that the Civic Si has a 197 hp (@7800rpm), 2L FOUR cylinder
> engine.
>

http://automobiles.honda.com/models/...lName=Civic+Si
>
> Compare to the Camry CE/LE 4-cylinder: 158hp@6000 rpm, 2.4L
> http://www.toyota.com/images/vehicle...amry/specs.pdf
>
> Is the Honda engine more efficient? (More power in a smaller volume,
> 2L vs. 2.4L?)
>

They are two very different cars. I have driven both and, believe me, there
is a very distinctive difference in performance and handling.


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