1997 Camry 4 Cyl - Cold Starting Problem

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Old 29 Apr 2006, 09:37 pm   #1 (permalink)
Stanley P. Pickens
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Default 1997 Camry 4 Cyl - Cold Starting Problem

Howdy All

Need a little help on tracking down this problem

Battery terminals have been cleaned and the connections are tight. Voltage
of battery seems ok checked with a voltmeter.
Water levels are ok.

Condition: At cold startup, either in the mornings or after several hours
being off while at work - turn switch first time and no response. no
sound. no interior light. nothing in the dash panel display.

Second turn - maybe no response or click,click,click, with a few second
wait until actually starting but not whirr,whirr,whirr like a weak battery.

Third turn - starts right up.

Several weeks ago had a problem for a few days with having to move the
steering wheel back and forth befor the ignition key could be turned to
make the car start. Don't know if its related.

What is the most likely culprit?

Should I be prepared to leave the car with the mechanic a day or so?

Any help is appreciated.

Stanley P. Pickens

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Old 29 Apr 2006, 09:49 pm   #2 (permalink)
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"Stanley P. Pickens" <jazzisjazz@charter.net> wrote in message
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> Howdy All
>
> Need a little help on tracking down this problem
>
> Battery terminals have been cleaned and the connections are tight. Voltage
> of battery seems ok checked with a voltmeter.
> Water levels are ok.
>
> Condition: At cold startup, either in the mornings or after several hours
> being off while at work - turn switch first time and no response. no
> sound. no interior light. nothing in the dash panel display.
>
> Second turn - maybe no response or click,click,click, with a few second
> wait until actually starting but not whirr,whirr,whirr like a weak
> battery.
>
> Third turn - starts right up.
>
> Several weeks ago had a problem for a few days with having to move the
> steering wheel back and forth befor the ignition key could be turned to
> make the car start. Don't know if its related.
>
> What is the most likely culprit?
>
> Should I be prepared to leave the car with the mechanic a day or so?
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
> Stanley P. Pickens


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Odd you should mention this, Stanley, because the same thing happened
recently to our 1997 Camry.
My wife uses it largely, and so I was never around when this happened, but
she tells me that turning the
key to start the engine was useless, as if there were no battery...no slow
starter motor..just silence.
She'd turn the key several times and suddenly the starter would engage and
the car would start normally.
She tells me that this situation happened between 6 and 12 times over the
past few weeks, but the car
always started...finally. But now, the situation has "gone away" and the
car always starts normally.
I thought it sounded like an improper contact at the starter solenoid, but I
would be hardpressed to even
FIND the solenoid. Anyway, perhaps if you just keep at it, your problem
will eventually go away too!
Good luck.
(oh, BTW, you mention "cold starting problem" ....our problem happened
whether the engine was cold
or had just been driven and was at operating temperature.)


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Old 29 Apr 2006, 10:26 pm   #3 (permalink)
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I had a new starter put in my 97 Camry after experiencing similar symptoms
about 2 years ago. The frustrating thing was that when I would take it to
the mechanic, he would say it was just fine. Started up real good for him,
even kept it overnight....trouble was it was parked in his nice warm service
bay, so the car didn't get nice and cold like it should've. Finally the
stupid starter just croaked and I was towed to the garage. New starter is
rebuilt genuine Toyota and performs real well.


"Stanley P. Pickens" <jazzisjazz@charter.net> wrote in message
newsp.s8suvzo15bghoz@it7mainpc.sc.charter.com...
> Howdy All
>
> Need a little help on tracking down this problem
>
> Battery terminals have been cleaned and the connections are tight. Voltage
> of battery seems ok checked with a voltmeter.
> Water levels are ok.
>
> Condition: At cold startup, either in the mornings or after several hours
> being off while at work - turn switch first time and no response. no
> sound. no interior light. nothing in the dash panel display.
>
> Second turn - maybe no response or click,click,click, with a few second
> wait until actually starting but not whirr,whirr,whirr like a weak
> battery.
>
> Third turn - starts right up.
>
> Several weeks ago had a problem for a few days with having to move the
> steering wheel back and forth befor the ignition key could be turned to
> make the car start. Don't know if its related.
>
> What is the most likely culprit?
>
> Should I be prepared to leave the car with the mechanic a day or so?
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
> Stanley P. Pickens
>
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Old 29 Apr 2006, 10:58 pm   #4 (permalink)
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I have a similar problem with my Corolla a number of years ago. It
happened intermittently. The problem wss the starter solenoid. Once
it was replaced, the problem disappeared.

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Old 30 Apr 2006, 07:17 pm   #5 (permalink)
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same problem on my 97 corolla. would do it every now and then. sometimes
it would turn over slowly. thought it was the battery so replaced it.
was ok for a week or two then started it again.finally just had a new
started put on. been 3 months now and no problems. toyota dealer wanted
450.00 for a new starter parts and labor. had it done at a garage with a
good reputation for $205.00 mine always did it after it had been
sitting overnight. you could try it 20 times when warm and would do fine
each time. guess they just start wearing out after almost 10 years.

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Old 01 May 2006, 12:36 pm   #6 (permalink)
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"Stanley P. Pickens" <jazzisjazz@charter.net> wrote in message
newsp.s8suvzo15bghoz@it7mainpc.sc.charter.com...
> Howdy All
>
> Need a little help on tracking down this problem
>
> Battery terminals have been cleaned and the connections are tight. Voltage
> of battery seems ok checked with a voltmeter.
> Water levels are ok.
>
> Condition: At cold startup, either in the mornings or after several hours
> being off while at work - turn switch first time and no response. no
> sound. no interior light. nothing in the dash panel display.
>
> Second turn - maybe no response or click,click,click, with a few second
> wait until actually starting but not whirr,whirr,whirr like a weak

battery.
>
> Third turn - starts right up.
>
> Several weeks ago had a problem for a few days with having to move the
> steering wheel back and forth befor the ignition key could be turned to
> make the car start. Don't know if its related.
>
> What is the most likely culprit?
>
> Should I be prepared to leave the car with the mechanic a day or so?
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
> Stanley P. Pickens


The Nippon denso starter-motor is a very good unit generally. If you have a
voltmeter, the best way to diagnose that type of fault, is to measure the
volts at the starter solenoid while an assistant turns the key. If the meter
indicates 10 or more volts, the trouble is the solenoid within the starter.
The solenoid is just a powerful electro-mechanical switch, which can stick.
If there are no volts, then the fault lies in the circuitry back towards the
key.

The wire which applies volts to the solenoid is the lighter gauge or smaller
diameter connection at the starter.

My '96 did a similar thing, except I could hear a soft "thunk" noise. That
turned out to be worn starter-motor-activate contacts in the solenoid
itself. They had worn away. Replacing them was a relatively simple procedure
if you had a basic tool kit.

Jason


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Old 01 May 2006, 02:11 pm   #7 (permalink)
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Most likely it's the starter. On my wifes' 97 Camry the same thing was
happening. I checked the terminals, replaced the connectors, etc.It twould
come and go.
So after fooling around with it for about a year I listened to my mother in
law who said "It's the starter" and got the starter rebuilt. Cost about $125
at a local guy who does only starters and alternators.

"Jason James" <Cleveland@351.factory.4v> wrote in message
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>
> "Stanley P. Pickens" <jazzisjazz@charter.net> wrote in message
> newsp.s8suvzo15bghoz@it7mainpc.sc.charter.com...
>> Howdy All
>>
>> Need a little help on tracking down this problem
>>
>> Battery terminals have been cleaned and the connections are tight.
>> Voltage
>> of battery seems ok checked with a voltmeter.
>> Water levels are ok.
>>
>> Condition: At cold startup, either in the mornings or after several hours
>> being off while at work - turn switch first time and no response. no
>> sound. no interior light. nothing in the dash panel display.
>>
>> Second turn - maybe no response or click,click,click, with a few second
>> wait until actually starting but not whirr,whirr,whirr like a weak

> battery.
>>
>> Third turn - starts right up.
>>
>> Several weeks ago had a problem for a few days with having to move the
>> steering wheel back and forth befor the ignition key could be turned to
>> make the car start. Don't know if its related.
>>
>> What is the most likely culprit?
>>
>> Should I be prepared to leave the car with the mechanic a day or so?
>>
>> Any help is appreciated.
>>
>> Stanley P. Pickens

>
> The Nippon denso starter-motor is a very good unit generally. If you have
> a
> voltmeter, the best way to diagnose that type of fault, is to measure the
> volts at the starter solenoid while an assistant turns the key. If the
> meter
> indicates 10 or more volts, the trouble is the solenoid within the
> starter.
> The solenoid is just a powerful electro-mechanical switch, which can
> stick.
> If there are no volts, then the fault lies in the circuitry back towards
> the
> key.
>
> The wire which applies volts to the solenoid is the lighter gauge or
> smaller
> diameter connection at the starter.
>
> My '96 did a similar thing, except I could hear a soft "thunk" noise. That
> turned out to be worn starter-motor-activate contacts in the solenoid
> itself. They had worn away. Replacing them was a relatively simple
> procedure
> if you had a basic tool kit.
>
> Jason
>
>



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Old 02 May 2006, 09:35 am   #8 (permalink)
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Glad to hear I'm not alone, damn starter was torture in it's methodical
refusal to behave badly for mechanics. And the mechanics, of course, were
paranoid about replacing the unit when it could've been something else.
Could've saved some grief by just going in and saying....just replace the
starter, I don't care about your diagnosis, just do it. Thanks group.


"cmuller" <carlmuller@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Most likely it's the starter. On my wifes' 97 Camry the same thing was
> happening. I checked the terminals, replaced the connectors, etc.It twould
> come and go.
> So after fooling around with it for about a year I listened to my mother
> in law who said "It's the starter" and got the starter rebuilt. Cost about
> $125 at a local guy who does only starters and alternators.
>
> "Jason James" <Cleveland@351.factory.4v> wrote in message
> news:44564724@news.comindico.com.au...
>>
>> "Stanley P. Pickens" <jazzisjazz@charter.net> wrote in message
>> newsp.s8suvzo15bghoz@it7mainpc.sc.charter.com...
>>> Howdy All
>>>
>>> Need a little help on tracking down this problem
>>>
>>> Battery terminals have been cleaned and the connections are tight.
>>> Voltage
>>> of battery seems ok checked with a voltmeter.
>>> Water levels are ok.
>>>
>>> Condition: At cold startup, either in the mornings or after several
>>> hours
>>> being off while at work - turn switch first time and no response. no
>>> sound. no interior light. nothing in the dash panel display.
>>>
>>> Second turn - maybe no response or click,click,click, with a few second
>>> wait until actually starting but not whirr,whirr,whirr like a weak

>> battery.
>>>
>>> Third turn - starts right up.
>>>
>>> Several weeks ago had a problem for a few days with having to move the
>>> steering wheel back and forth befor the ignition key could be turned to
>>> make the car start. Don't know if its related.
>>>
>>> What is the most likely culprit?
>>>
>>> Should I be prepared to leave the car with the mechanic a day or so?
>>>
>>> Any help is appreciated.
>>>
>>> Stanley P. Pickens

>>
>> The Nippon denso starter-motor is a very good unit generally. If you have
>> a
>> voltmeter, the best way to diagnose that type of fault, is to measure the
>> volts at the starter solenoid while an assistant turns the key. If the
>> meter
>> indicates 10 or more volts, the trouble is the solenoid within the
>> starter.
>> The solenoid is just a powerful electro-mechanical switch, which can
>> stick.
>> If there are no volts, then the fault lies in the circuitry back towards
>> the
>> key.
>>
>> The wire which applies volts to the solenoid is the lighter gauge or
>> smaller
>> diameter connection at the starter.
>>
>> My '96 did a similar thing, except I could hear a soft "thunk" noise.
>> That
>> turned out to be worn starter-motor-activate contacts in the solenoid
>> itself. They had worn away. Replacing them was a relatively simple
>> procedure
>> if you had a basic tool kit.
>>
>> Jason
>>
>>

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