Front Passenger Window Problem Harness Repair 97 Camry

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Old 23 Jun 2006, 10:51 am   #1 (permalink)
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Default Front Passenger Window Problem Harness Repair 97 Camry

I see several messages regarding this problem but none explaining how
to actually repair the harness. My 1997 Camry's front passenger window
will not go down unless I open the driver's side door and push the
console button while the door is open. As soon as I close the door, the
console button for that window will not work. I suspect that the
problem is a shorted wire in the driver's side door harness but I don't
know how to open the harness. Do I use a penknife, xacto blade to slice
it open and then look for a broken wire? How do you detect a broken
wire with the skin on the wire. Do I need to use an ohm meter etc.
Should I bend each wire back and forth while someone else pushes the
console button? Could someone please help me? Thanks,
Pistol Pete

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Old 23 Jun 2006, 12:00 pm   #2 (permalink)
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"PistolPete" <peter@bcpl.net> wrote in message
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>I see several messages regarding this problem but none explaining how
> to actually repair the harness. My 1997 Camry's front passenger window
> will not go down unless I open the driver's side door and push the
> console button while the door is open. As soon as I close the door, the
> console button for that window will not work. I suspect that the
> problem is a shorted wire in the driver's side door harness but I don't
> know how to open the harness. Do I use a penknife, xacto blade to slice
> it open and then look for a broken wire? How do you detect a broken
> wire with the skin on the wire. Do I need to use an ohm meter etc.
> Should I bend each wire back and forth while someone else pushes the
> console button? Could someone please help me? Thanks,
> Pistol Pete
>

Just a guess, but I'd hazard the guess that the wires going thru the door to
the body proper
do the most flexing, so I'd look in that area first. To test coated wires,
you'll have to
jury rig some small pins, attaching them to the probes on the ammeter, then
pierce the wires
at probable trouble spots with the pins. Good Luck!


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Old 24 Jun 2006, 09:01 am   #3 (permalink)
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PistolPete wrote:
> I see several messages regarding this problem but none explaining how
> to actually repair the harness.
> Should I bend each wire back and forth while someone else pushes the
> console button?

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That should work.
You may be able to feel broken wires through the insulation by sort of
pulling across the wire under tension.
Before cutting the outer layer of covering, I'd first try to shift it
to one side by pulling it loose from one end.

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Old 25 Jun 2006, 07:41 am   #4 (permalink)
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On 23 Jun 2006 08:51:45 -0700, "PistolPete" <peter@bcpl.net> wrote:

>I see several messages regarding this problem but none explaining how
>to actually repair the harness. My 1997 Camry's front passenger window
>will not go down unless I open the driver's side door and push the
>console button while the door is open. As soon as I close the door, the
>console button for that window will not work. I suspect that the
>problem is a shorted wire in the driver's side door harness but I don't
>know how to open the harness. Do I use a penknife, xacto blade to slice
>it open and then look for a broken wire? How do you detect a broken
>wire with the skin on the wire. Do I need to use an ohm meter etc.
>Should I bend each wire back and forth while someone else pushes the
>console button? Could someone please help me? Thanks,
>Pistol Pete

Try here... http://oregonstate.edu/~tongt/camry/index.html at the
bottom of the page. There is a link to some interesting info on
harness repair and fault diagnosis.
FWIW
YMMV
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Old 25 Jun 2006, 10:41 am   #5 (permalink)
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NickySantoro wrote:
> On 23 Jun 2006 08:51:45 -0700, "PistolPete" <peter@bcpl.net> wrote:
>
> >I see several messages regarding this problem but none explaining how
> >to actually repair the harness. My 1997 Camry's front passenger window
> >will not go down unless I open the driver's side door and push the
> >console button while the door is open. As soon as I close the door, the
> >console button for that window will not work. I suspect that the
> >problem is a shorted wire in the driver's side door harness but I don't
> >know how to open the harness. Do I use a penknife, xacto blade to slice
> >it open and then look for a broken wire? How do you detect a broken
> >wire with the skin on the wire. Do I need to use an ohm meter etc.
> >Should I bend each wire back and forth while someone else pushes the
> >console button? Could someone please help me? Thanks,
> >Pistol Pete

> Try here... http://oregonstate.edu/~tongt/camry/index.html at the
> bottom of the page. There is a link to some interesting info on
> harness repair and fault diagnosis.
> FWIW
> YMMV


Thanks for the lead. A strange thing happened yesterday. I went outside
and tried the console button with the door open and the passenger side
window went up and down fine. I closed the door and tried it again and
it didn't work. I opened the driver's door again and tried the console
and it worked again. Once the window was in the up position, I wiggled
the harness back and forth and then pressed the console button again
with the door open; this time, nothing happened. I tried over and over
to wiggle the harness to see if I could restore the window function but
it was like dead.I must have done something when I wiggled the harness
because now, even with my driver's door open, it won't go up or down. I
think it must be in the harness because that is the only thing I
touched. Maybe I separated a wire altogether that was barely hanging
on. I will have to get into the harness and examine each wire.

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Old 25 Jun 2006, 05:26 pm   #6 (permalink)
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On 25 Jun 2006 08:41:09 -0700, "PistolPete" <peter@bcpl.net> wrote:

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>NickySantoro wrote:
>> On 23 Jun 2006 08:51:45 -0700, "PistolPete" <peter@bcpl.net> wrote:
>>
>> >I see several messages regarding this problem but none explaining how
>> >to actually repair the harness. My 1997 Camry's front passenger window
>> >will not go down unless I open the driver's side door and push the
>> >console button while the door is open. As soon as I close the door, the
>> >console button for that window will not work. I suspect that the
>> >problem is a shorted wire in the driver's side door harness but I don't
>> >know how to open the harness. Do I use a penknife, xacto blade to slice
>> >it open and then look for a broken wire? How do you detect a broken
>> >wire with the skin on the wire. Do I need to use an ohm meter etc.
>> >Should I bend each wire back and forth while someone else pushes the
>> >console button? Could someone please help me? Thanks,
>> >Pistol Pete

>> Try here... http://oregonstate.edu/~tongt/camry/index.html at the
>> bottom of the page. There is a link to some interesting info on
>> harness repair and fault diagnosis.
>> FWIW
>> YMMV

>
>Thanks for the lead. A strange thing happened yesterday. I went outside
>and tried the console button with the door open and the passenger side
>window went up and down fine. I closed the door and tried it again and
>it didn't work. I opened the driver's door again and tried the console
>and it worked again. Once the window was in the up position, I wiggled
>the harness back and forth and then pressed the console button again
>with the door open; this time, nothing happened. I tried over and over
>to wiggle the harness to see if I could restore the window function but
>it was like dead.I must have done something when I wiggled the harness
>because now, even with my driver's door open, it won't go up or down. I
>think it must be in the harness because that is the only thing I
>touched. Maybe I separated a wire altogether that was barely hanging
>on. I will have to get into the harness and examine each wire.


Strange things happen with wiring. I had an '82 Corona wagon and I
noticed the license plate light was out. It was an internal,
under-the-insulation break in the wire. Took a couple of hours to find
and about 10 minutes to fix. Amazingly, it wasn't at a flex point but
in a straight run. Go figure.
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Old 02 Jul 2006, 11:05 am   #7 (permalink)
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The strangest thing: After I wiggled the harness and the passenger
window stopped altogether, it started working again the next day. Now
it works perfectly from the driver's console. I don't understand what I
did, but I am happy that now it is working again. I feel like there has
got to be a short somewhere. These kind of intermittent problems are
probably the hardest to diagnose because as long as the window is
working, it is hard to find the problem.Perhaps the system reset
itself. Any ideas?

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Old 02 Jul 2006, 04:41 pm   #8 (permalink)
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On 2 Jul 2006 09:05:41 -0700, "PistolPete" <peter@bcpl.net> wrote:

>The strangest thing: After I wiggled the harness and the passenger
>window stopped altogether, it started working again the next day. Now
>it works perfectly from the driver's console. I don't understand what I
>did, but I am happy that now it is working again. I feel like there has
>got to be a short somewhere. These kind of intermittent problems are
>probably the hardest to diagnose because as long as the window is
>working, it is hard to find the problem.Perhaps the system reset
>itself. Any ideas?

I'm guessing there is an internal break in one of the wires.
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