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Old 25 Jun 2006, 02:15 am   #1 (permalink)
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My 04 Camry has OE tires with a speed rating of 92 T , which is 118 mph
rated tire,
I was planning on repacing these VERY noisy OE tires with Michelin X radials
from Sams Club.
I have had these "X radials" on various cars over the last 10 years and have
found them to be great tire.
The saleman at Sams tells me I am voiding my tire warrenty and possible
indangering myself by wanting to install
a 92S rated tire( 112mph rating). I don't plan on driving over 75 mph max,
so is there really any problem with buying a tire that is rated 6 mph less
that OE tires but still 35 mph plus more that I will be driving or is this
just covering their butt talk. The load rating is the same at 92.


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Old 25 Jun 2006, 05:36 am   #2 (permalink)
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Just another Sams Club idiot salesman, you wont void any warranty.
Michelin does not make junk that blows out like other manufacturers.

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Old 25 Jun 2006, 09:09 am   #3 (permalink)
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tec wrote:
> My 04 Camry has OE tires with a speed rating of 92 T , which is 118 mph
> rated tire,
> I was planning on repacing these VERY noisy OE tires with Michelin X radials
> from Sams Club.

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Speed rating is a European standard which primarily measures heat
accumulation.
People will tell you to maintain the original speed rating for the
"better" constructoin of the tire which they will tell you translates
into better handling and safety at lower speeds also.
Personally, I've never had a problem with "S" rated tires on the Camry
even at much higher speeds - and the tires always seem just warm to the
touch after long highway driving.
For the cost of a mouse click, you may want to investigate Yokohama
tires also:
http://www.yokohamatire.com/searchresults.asp?id=p
Some of the people reviewing their purchase on Tire Rack preferred them
to Michelin for ride quality and low noise as well as handling and long
tread wear. The Yokohama is a well respected brand by those familiar
with them and represents excellent value at about half the cost of the
"X" tire which could be considered one of Michelin's older designs at
this point.

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Old 25 Jun 2006, 09:25 am   #4 (permalink)
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You'll find that handling suffers too with lower rated tires both in side
wall flexing (which builds up heat) and in traction. Don't you think the
factory would put on cheaper lower rated tires if it was safe and they saved
a buck? Stick with the OEM rating --- tire are what keep you safely ON the
road. Many tire store will NOT sell you the tires for fear they would be
held liable when they blow.

"tec" <tec@tec.tec> wrote in message
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> My 04 Camry has OE tires with a speed rating of 92 T , which is 118 mph
> rated tire,
> I was planning on repacing these VERY noisy OE tires with Michelin X
> radials from Sams Club.
> I have had these "X radials" on various cars over the last 10 years and
> have found them to be great tire.
> The saleman at Sams tells me I am voiding my tire warrenty and possible
> indangering myself by wanting to install
> a 92S rated tire( 112mph rating). I don't plan on driving over 75 mph max,
> so is there really any problem with buying a tire that is rated 6 mph less
> that OE tires but still 35 mph plus more that I will be driving or is this
> just covering their butt talk. The load rating is the same at 92.
>
>



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Old 25 Jun 2006, 12:23 pm   #5 (permalink)
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Wolfgang wrote:
> You'll find that handling suffers too with lower rated tires both in side
> wall flexing (which builds up heat) and in traction. Don't you think the
> factory would put on cheaper lower rated tires if it was safe and they saved
> a buck? Stick with the OEM rating --- tire are what keep you safely ON the
> road. Many tire store will NOT sell you the tires for fear they would be
> held liable when they blow.
>
>

Since the OP says his Michelin-X tires have been great, I think it's
safe to assume handling is not one of his priorities. Wet road traction
apparently isn't important to him either.

Any tire store should push back at a customer request to use a lower
speed rating than is listed for their car. However, with the same load
rating, the S-rated tires should be fine on a Camry that was delivered
with T-rated tires.

If you go over to an Acura group you'll see lots of similar discussions
re. using H-rated tires instead of V-rated tires on the Acura TL. Most
TL customers replace their tires with H rated and are happy. (Folks
with manual transmission TLs, a fairly small %, should probably stick
with the higher performance Vs.)

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Old 25 Jun 2006, 01:00 pm   #6 (permalink)
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"tec" <tec@tec.tec> wrote in message
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> My 04 Camry has OE tires with a speed rating of 92 T , which is 118 mph
> rated tire,
> I was planning on repacing these VERY noisy OE tires with Michelin X
> radials from Sams Club.


You might also have a look at Goodyears of the same size. As my Michelins
wore down on my '97 Camry, I replaced them (two at a time over a period of a
year or so) with Goodyears, and have been more than pleased with their
performance. They're quiet, they seem to wear better than the Michelins,
and have never been troublesom in any way. They also seem to retain air a
bit better than the Michelins used to de.


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Old 25 Jun 2006, 01:27 pm   #7 (permalink)
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ACAR wrote:
> Since the OP says his Michelin-X tires have been great, I think it's
> safe to assume handling is not one of his priorities. Wet road traction
> apparently isn't important to him either.


The Michelin X Radials were the number two rated tires by Consumer
Reports in Nov 2005, losing by one point to the Goodyear Assurance
TripleTred. X was rated very good or excellent on all important
attributes except ice braking without abs (a pathological case these
days) and emergency handling (on which they were rated "good").

I bought a set of Xs a few months ago for my 99 Camry, and I think
they're fine tires.
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Old 25 Jun 2006, 03:57 pm   #8 (permalink)
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"mack" <mackerel@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
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> "tec" <tec@tec.tec> wrote in message
> news:lqmdnS6wnuhqqgPZnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@insightbb.co m...
>> My 04 Camry has OE tires with a speed rating of 92 T , which is 118 mph
>> rated tire,
>> I was planning on repacing these VERY noisy OE tires with Michelin X
>> radials from Sams Club.

>
> You might also have a look at Goodyears of the same size. As my
> Michelins wore down on my '97 Camry, I replaced them (two at a time over a
> period of a year or so) with Goodyears, and have been more than pleased
> with their performance. They're quiet, they seem to wear better than the
> Michelins, and have never been troublesom in any way. They also seem to
> retain air a bit better than the Michelins used to de.


A small addendum here. I had a look at my Goodyears and they are the
"Weatherhandler LS" model, if you're interested.


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Old 25 Jun 2006, 05:16 pm   #9 (permalink)
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Nobody Important wrote:
> ACAR wrote:
> > Since the OP says his Michelin-X tires have been great, I think it's
> > safe to assume handling is not one of his priorities. Wet road traction
> > apparently isn't important to him either.

>
> The Michelin X Radials were the number two rated tires by Consumer
> Reports in Nov 2005, losing by one point to the Goodyear Assurance
> TripleTred. X was rated very good or excellent on all important
> attributes except ice braking without abs (a pathological case these
> days) and emergency handling (on which they were rated "good").
>
> I bought a set of Xs a few months ago for my 99 Camry, and I think
> they're fine tires


Apparently, the folks who submit tire surveys to The Tire Rack do not
share your enthusiasm for these mediocre tires, rated 8th and MUCH
lower performing than the top rated TripleTreds in the "passenger all
season" (lowest performance) category.

Goodyear Assurance TripleTred 1
Michelin HydroEdge 2
Goodyear Assurance ComforTred 3
Michelin Harmony 4
Yokohama Aegis LS4 5
Firestone Affinity LH30 6
Yokohama S330 7
Michelin Energy LX4 8

Next time try something like the Pirelli P Zero Nero M&S or the
Michelin Pilot Exalto A/S and see if you can't feel the difference.

The Tire Rack gets their information from users who have millions of
miles worth of observations. Not a limited suite of track tests like
CR.

CR should stick to rating washing machines.

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Old 25 Jun 2006, 06:28 pm   #10 (permalink)
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Tire Rack is a consumer's individual opinion -- based on hard earned money
they just spent. Its not like they tried numberous tires and then voted.
At least Consumer Reports test many tires with many testers and metrics for
how to rate them. No tire is perfect for all conditions hence the rack of
tires that race car drivers carry.

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> Nobody Important wrote:
>> ACAR wrote:
>> > Since the OP says his Michelin-X tires have been great, I think it's
>> > safe to assume handling is not one of his priorities. Wet road traction
>> > apparently isn't important to him either.

>>
>> The Michelin X Radials were the number two rated tires by Consumer
>> Reports in Nov 2005, losing by one point to the Goodyear Assurance
>> TripleTred. X was rated very good or excellent on all important
>> attributes except ice braking without abs (a pathological case these
>> days) and emergency handling (on which they were rated "good").
>>
>> I bought a set of Xs a few months ago for my 99 Camry, and I think
>> they're fine tires

>
> Apparently, the folks who submit tire surveys to The Tire Rack do not
> share your enthusiasm for these mediocre tires, rated 8th and MUCH
> lower performing than the top rated TripleTreds in the "passenger all
> season" (lowest performance) category.
>
> Goodyear Assurance TripleTred 1
> Michelin HydroEdge 2
> Goodyear Assurance ComforTred 3
> Michelin Harmony 4
> Yokohama Aegis LS4 5
> Firestone Affinity LH30 6
> Yokohama S330 7
> Michelin Energy LX4 8
>
> Next time try something like the Pirelli P Zero Nero M&S or the
> Michelin Pilot Exalto A/S and see if you can't feel the difference.
>
> The Tire Rack gets their information from users who have millions of
> miles worth of observations. Not a limited suite of track tests like
> CR.
>
> CR should stick to rating washing machines.
>



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