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Old 11 Jul 2006, 09:22 am   #1 (permalink)
seagar
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96, 4cyl camry with 125k miles. No problems to speak of.

I do no work on my vehicles at all. Local guy for routine maintenance,
(reasonably priced and honest). Dealer for major work.

I am bringing it to the dealer to have the following replaced TIMING
BELT, (first at 60k), and WATER PUMP, (never changed).

My question is about the Transmission Fluid. I have had my local
mechanic drain and fill this fluid at 60k and 90k. I believe my local
guy dropped the pan as he called to order some sort of kit when I asked
him to do the transmission service, (and the cost was about $60 and
took a bit of time).

I understand there is some controversy over the Transmission Fluid
Flushes on vehicles with high mileage, (I've done the searches).

The Dealer recommends the FLUSH and they no longer even offer a drain
and fill because you "really aren't accomplishing much" by this
approach is what was said.

The flush is about $100 from the dealership and I'm not as concerned
with the price as I am about possibly "shooting myself in the foot".

Thus I need some "educated" recommendations.

(Also, I have a 2004 toyota matrix with 35k miles and I guess I'd like
to know the suggested approach for transmission maintenance with this
vehicle as well).

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Old 11 Jul 2006, 12:05 pm   #2 (permalink)
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Forget the power flush, just put in a filter and change oil, and dont
forget the differential

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Old 11 Jul 2006, 06:38 pm   #3 (permalink)
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"m Ransley" <ransley@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Forget the power flush, just put in a filter and change oil, and dont
> forget the differential


Yeah...what Ransley said. This power flush shit was originally started to
make more money on
a relatively routine service issue.

Dealers suck.


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Old 12 Jul 2006, 12:56 pm   #4 (permalink)
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<HLS@nospam.nix> wrote in message
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> "m Ransley" <ransley@webtv.net> wrote in message
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>> Forget the power flush, just put in a filter and change oil, and dont
>> forget the differential

>
> Yeah...what Ransley said. This power flush shit was originally started to
> make more money on
> a relatively routine service issue.
>
> Dealers suck.
>

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Well, the last two words are a given.

But could we delve into this matter of flushing the transmission a bit
more? I'm of two minds on the subject - Some people think it's sufficient
to replace the screen and gasket, but others think that draining the trans.
only gets about half of the fluid, and the remainder stays in, dirty, so the
recommendation if for a full flush of all the fluid and its complete
replacement.

Comments?


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Old 12 Jul 2006, 04:36 pm   #5 (permalink)
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seagar wrote:
> 96, 4cyl camry with 125k miles. No problems to speak of.
>
> The Dealer recommends the FLUSH and they no longer even offer a drain
> and fill
> The flush is about $100 from the dealership and I'm not as concerned
> with the price as I am about possibly "shooting myself in the foot".
>

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I do not believe having the dealer flush the transmission will cause
any harm, and it is nice to have completely clean fluid.
On severely neglected transmissions there can be some concern, but
yours has received some regular service.
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I've had the dealer do power steering flush and brake fluid flush, with
the transmission flush done elsewhere when first acquiring the vehicle,
then just changing fluids regularly afterward has kept everything
pristine.
I do believe keeping the fluids clean will prolong the useful service
life of the affected parts saving potentially expensive repair later.

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Old 13 Jul 2006, 07:05 am   #6 (permalink)
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"mack" <mackerel@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
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> <HLS@nospam.nix> wrote in message
> news:UDWsg.171108$F_3.70386@newssvr29.news.prodigy .net...
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> > "m Ransley" <ransley@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> >> Forget the power flush, just put in a filter and change oil, and dont
> >> forget the differential

> >
> > Yeah...what Ransley said. This power flush shit was originally started

to
> > make more money on
> > a relatively routine service issue.
> >
> > Dealers suck.
> >

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Well, the last two words are a given.
>
> But could we delve into this matter of flushing the transmission a bit
> more? I'm of two minds on the subject - Some people think it's

sufficient
> to replace the screen and gasket, but others think that draining the

trans.
> only gets about half of the fluid, and the remainder stays in, dirty, so

the
> recommendation if for a full flush of all the fluid and its complete
> replacement.
>
> Comments?


There have been anecdotal reports of damage to transmissions because of the
power flush procedure. (I don't particularly believe anything that is not
documented,
but it is possible, I guess.)

Getting all the oil out and getting everything squeaky clean appeals to the
minds of
a lot of consumers. Although the manufacturers haven't seen it necessary to
do this,
(or it would have been specified in their service procedures) I see nothing
wrong with
it, but I would prefer not to use powerflushing to do it.

There is a school of thought that proposes that you shouldn't change fluid
at all. They
believe that trannies last better with no changes. I think that they are
also FOS.


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Old 13 Jul 2006, 07:38 am   #7 (permalink)
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On a flush you assume it is done with good equipment, properly
maintained. Imagine a piece of gravel that has found its way onto the
fitting that gets introduced into your trans. Or some settled debris
inside the trans gets moved into a critical area. I say a flush is good
for a dead transmission to try to revive it, otherwise it has risks.

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Old 13 Jul 2006, 07:03 pm   #8 (permalink)
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"m Ransley" <ransley@webtv.net> wrote in message
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I say a flush is good
> for a dead transmission to try to revive it, otherwise it has risks.


I dont think there is any dead tranny that can be revived by a flush, any
more
than a dead poet can be brought back to life by an enema.



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Old 14 Jul 2006, 01:39 am   #9 (permalink)
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That's a way for the dealer to make money. If your local guys changed
the strainer and fluid, ask him to do it again. Unless the dealer can
show you the machine can clean up the pan and strainer to make them
like the new kit your mechanic put in, I say forget it. $100 is a way
for them to make money.

I do agree that if you have serious problems with tranny and there are
a lot of debris floating through the system, then a flush may be called
for as a part of the repair procedure. But if your ATF doesn't get
darker than orange or slightly brownish red in color, then just drain
and refill with an occasional strainer/gasket replacement should do.

So you wouldn't want the mechanic to change the timing belt, oil seals,
idlers, and pump? What's the dealer going to charge you for the whole
package did you ask?


seagar wrote:
> 96, 4cyl camry with 125k miles. No problems to speak of.
>
> I do no work on my vehicles at all. Local guy for routine maintenance,
> (reasonably priced and honest). Dealer for major work.
>
> I am bringing it to the dealer to have the following replaced TIMING
> BELT, (first at 60k), and WATER PUMP, (never changed).
>
> My question is about the Transmission Fluid. I have had my local
> mechanic drain and fill this fluid at 60k and 90k. I believe my local
> guy dropped the pan as he called to order some sort of kit when I asked
> him to do the transmission service, (and the cost was about $60 and
> took a bit of time).
>
> I understand there is some controversy over the Transmission Fluid
> Flushes on vehicles with high mileage, (I've done the searches).
>
> The Dealer recommends the FLUSH and they no longer even offer a drain
> and fill because you "really aren't accomplishing much" by this
> approach is what was said.
>
> The flush is about $100 from the dealership and I'm not as concerned
> with the price as I am about possibly "shooting myself in the foot".
>
> Thus I need some "educated" recommendations.
>
> (Also, I have a 2004 toyota matrix with 35k miles and I guess I'd like
> to know the suggested approach for transmission maintenance with this
> vehicle as well).


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