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Old 28 Aug 2006, 03:48 am   #1 (permalink)
Stan Wright
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Hey out there....Haven't hit one of these sites since my '99 Dodge
truck was but a few years old......Ran out of things to say there and
just went on my way.....Anyway, back to the subject line....

Just purchased a Camry SE with the four and auto transmission to take
the place of my aforementioned Dodge truck, done mainly for the mileage
aspect (considered the Corolla, but decided against it due to the size
of the car and the EPA highway difference of mileage of only 5 mpg in
comparison). I know it is a new body style, but how reliable of a
vehicle is this going to be? Have the mechanicals changed much from
previous years? I admit to having not done any research prior to
purchase (shame on me, I know), and relied on "reputation" of Toyota (in
spite of my bad luck with an '88 truck), the test drive, and my desire
to stop making $95 fillups with my V-10 truck.

What kind of mileage with I be getting once it is broken in (the
first tank yielded but 23 mpg with mostly freeway miles--very
disappointing)? The dealership was supposed to top off the tank when I
took it home, perhaps they didn't....I'll fillup tomorrow (half tank)
and see what the second will compute out to.....

I'm not into the "tuner" scene, but is there any sites out there
where I might see something to differentiate it a little from those that
will be flooding the streets very soon? I may just visit a few custom
paint shops in my town to see what they could do to spice it up.....I
love the new body style (finally not "family-car" styling--in my
opinion) and think that it might even be able to handle flames coming
from the hood and wrapping down the sides--complementary shades of blue
or purple perhaps to go with the titantium metallic......Too cliched or
"anti-Toyota", perhaps????? Just looking for a few
opinions......Thanks!

Stan

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Old 29 Aug 2006, 09:06 am   #2 (permalink)
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Stan,

You came to the right place but probably at the wrong time. It's
generally a good idea (tm) to check out a vehicle thoroughly before
buying it!

Having said that, here's my "summary" of the potential and perceived
problems with the 07 camry. I myself own a 07 Camry CE. Others may
want to add or subtract from this list, it is my "summary opinion"
based on reading on this and other internet boards.

1) Transmission behavior (4cyl and 6cyl): several people, including
myself, have noticed that when climbing a slight-moderate hill, the
transmission will downshift a bit early, leading to seemingly high RPMs
(3500+). Also, some people have reported skipping gears altogether
while shifting at "random" times, this seems to be an issue related to
the date of manufacture. Early 07 Camrys were made in Japan and
shipped here, potentially having the aformentioned issue. In short:
there seems to be an issue (not necessarily a problem) with the timing
of shifting.

2) Interior Quality: One recent complaint is that the cloth armrest on
the driver's side (about where your elbow would rest while holding the
steering wheel at the 9:00 position) easily deteriorates even after as
little as 100 miles.
For me my rearview mirror is warped: if i move my head side-to-side,
you can clearly see visual distortions in the mirror image looking out
the rear window.
Another complaint (although I never saw it here) is that engine noise
at low RPM is quite obvious. I guess there's an expectation that
engine noise should be masked at all RPMs... people view this as a
quality issue.
Other minor issues have been reported, such as squeaks/rattles (I
haven't had any).

3) Exterior quality: seems to be good except for the glaring fact that
there are no sidepanel guards ... (there's a better term for this, the
plastic guards that protect the side panels of most cars from dings
and bumps from shopping carts, kids on big-wheels, bikes, etc).

I'll be honest: If the Honda Accord had a better selection of interior
colors, I probably would have chosen that. Hyundai Sonata was a very
close third on the list, marred only by the fact that the resale value
is horrible (having nothing to do with the quality and everything to do
with the history).

The fact that Honda only had one choice of cloth-interior colors: dark
grey, was surprising and smacked of bureaucratic-big-business
cost-cutting. I now realize Toyota has fallen into this trap too by
cutting corners on quality. They may have gotten away with it this
time (unless the transmission issues become problems), but I imagine
the 2008 models will be junk if the trend continues.

Just my $2 worth.

-Ben


Stan Wright wrote:
> Hey out there....Haven't hit one of these sites since my '99 Dodge
> truck was but a few years old......Ran out of things to say there and
> just went on my way.....Anyway, back to the subject line....
>
> Just purchased a Camry SE with the four and auto transmission to take
> the place of my aforementioned Dodge truck, done mainly for the mileage
> aspect (considered the Corolla, but decided against it due to the size
> of the car and the EPA highway difference of mileage of only 5 mpg in
> comparison). I know it is a new body style, but how reliable of a
> vehicle is this going to be? Have the mechanicals changed much from
> previous years? I admit to having not done any research prior to
> purchase (shame on me, I know), and relied on "reputation" of Toyota (in
> spite of my bad luck with an '88 truck), the test drive, and my desire
> to stop making $95 fillups with my V-10 truck.
>
> What kind of mileage with I be getting once it is broken in (the
> first tank yielded but 23 mpg with mostly freeway miles--very
> disappointing)? The dealership was supposed to top off the tank when I
> took it home, perhaps they didn't....I'll fillup tomorrow (half tank)
> and see what the second will compute out to.....
>
> I'm not into the "tuner" scene, but is there any sites out there
> where I might see something to differentiate it a little from those that
> will be flooding the streets very soon? I may just visit a few custom
> paint shops in my town to see what they could do to spice it up.....I
> love the new body style (finally not "family-car" styling--in my
> opinion) and think that it might even be able to handle flames coming
> from the hood and wrapping down the sides--complementary shades of blue
> or purple perhaps to go with the titantium metallic......Too cliched or
> "anti-Toyota", perhaps????? Just looking for a few
> opinions......Thanks!
>
> Stan


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Old 30 Aug 2006, 08:20 am   #3 (permalink)
Stan Wright
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Thanks, Ben, appreciate the much desired info.!

Just put in my second tank of fuel and got 28.9 mpg with probably 90%
highway miles at 65-75 mph--depending on the legal limit (I usually
stretch it by 3-7 mph).

The armrest fabric looks good at 700 miles.....

I noticed the downshifting on inclines as well, but figured it to be
due to the 5-speed auto--figured that a "normal" 4-speed probably
wouldn't have shifted--doesn't bother me but will keep notice, now.....

Engine noise at idle seems neglible....


Anyone else have any hints, info., warnings, suggestions on this new
model? Will I get the 33 mpg the EPA "suggested," once the car is
broken in? Thanks again, in advance!


Stan

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Old 30 Aug 2006, 01:31 pm   #4 (permalink)
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My 07 Camry LE did not get better mpg after it was broke in. I just had the
10 K service and the average MPG is around 30MPG so far. 70% were highway
mileages at speed around 65-70.

Some of people claim they can get better mpg than the EPA suggested. You can
try if you do not mind people driving behind you flash the high beams and
honk.



"Stan Wright" <smwright@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Thanks, Ben, appreciate the much desired info.!
>
> Just put in my second tank of fuel and got 28.9 mpg with probably 90%
> highway miles at 65-75 mph--depending on the legal limit (I usually
> stretch it by 3-7 mph).
>
> The armrest fabric looks good at 700 miles.....
>
> I noticed the downshifting on inclines as well, but figured it to be
> due to the 5-speed auto--figured that a "normal" 4-speed probably
> wouldn't have shifted--doesn't bother me but will keep notice, now.....
>
> Engine noise at idle seems neglible....
>
>
> Anyone else have any hints, info., warnings, suggestions on this new
> model? Will I get the 33 mpg the EPA "suggested," once the car is
> broken in? Thanks again, in advance!
>
>
> Stan
>



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Old 06 Sep 2006, 05:10 pm   #5 (permalink)
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I recently rented a 2007 Camry SE 4-cylinder 5-speed automatic from
Budget for a 1,500 mile trip. Most of my driving was on interstate
highways at 70 to 75MPH with the A/C on. The fuel mileage was 33MPG
for the trip, which I thought was very good.

The only problem(s) I noted during the rental were: the downshifting
of the transmission even during the slightest uphill grades, especially
when using the cruise control. The RPM spiked once from 1,800 to over
4,000 RPM on one small hill; I did not notice any of the drive-by-wire
throttle hesitation problems noted by other 2007 Camry owners,
especially on the Edmunds.com Camry forum; I noticed some dashboard
resonance - not a rattle, but rather a metallic resonance - at certain
constant highway engine speeds (I could never locate the source due to
the massive size of the dash); and, as a minor carp, the trunk
downsizing from the previous generation, and the exposed goose-neck
trunk hinges are backward steps in my opinion.

I have quite a bit of experience with the previous generation Camry as
well. Personally, I think the previous generation has better outward
visability, especially through the front and rear side windows.

Re. the Hyundai Sonata (Ben's comment above) . . . we are seriously
considering either a 2007 Camry LE 4-cylinder or a 2007 Sonata. I know
about the current resale value of Hyundai's, but this is changing, and
fast. If a person keeps a car as long as I do (more than 10 years), the
resale argument is somewhat moot. Hyundai is improving its image
day-by-day, and image is what primarily determines resale value. I'm
old enough to remember when Honda's and Toyota's image was also very
suspect, so things do change. I've compared the exterior build
quality/fit and finish on a Sonata to an Accord and Camry, and the
Sonata doesn't take a back seat to either.

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Old 14 Sep 2006, 12:13 am   #6 (permalink)
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Thanks for the additional response (I've not checked back for a few
days--new girlfriend). I'm almost to 2000 miles already, and have
ranged from 25.8 to 28.9 mpg with mostly highway miles.....Was hoping
for a solid 30..... Consumer Reports claimed that in their tests, of
varied driving situations that the V-6 averaged 23 mpg compared to 24
for the I-4......Makes me wonder if I should've just bitten the bullet
for the extra cost and just gotten the six......That little difference
seems to make that argument....

I also notice the downshifting with slight inclines.....Don't
believe it to be a cause for concern, just too high of gearing for the
amount of torque available to pull it up hills.....


Stan

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Old 14 Sep 2006, 01:17 am   #7 (permalink)
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"Stan Wright" <smwright@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Thanks for the additional response (I've not checked back for a few
> days--new girlfriend). I'm almost to 2000 miles already, and have


So which rides better--the Camry or the girl friend?


> ranged from 25.8 to 28.9 mpg with mostly highway miles.....Was hoping
> for a solid 30..... Consumer Reports claimed that in their tests, of
> varied driving situations that the V-6 averaged 23 mpg compared to 24
> for the I-4......Makes me wonder if I should've just bitten the bullet
> for the extra cost and just gotten the six......That little difference
> seems to make that argument....
>
> I also notice the downshifting with slight inclines.....Don't
> believe it to be a cause for concern, just too high of gearing for the
> amount of torque available to pull it up hills.....
>
>
> Stan
>



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