Replace door speakers in 97 Camry with which brand?

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Old 16 Sep 2006, 03:22 pm   #1 (permalink)
condor_222@yahoo.com
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Dear experts,

I have a 97 Camry XLE with the premium sound system.
Six speakers. Two rear. Two in the doors.
Two tweeters near the rear view mirrors.

Unfortunately, the tape and CD self destructed.
so, I changed to the Alpine model CDA-9856 which
allowed me to use my IPOD. Also play MP3s.
It sounds awesome.

Since changing it, I've since discovered that the
front passenger door speaker needs replacing. It
makes huge vibrating noises during certain parts of
songs. I did take off the door panel, and take
it to Tweeter, and they assured me it was the
speaker, not something in the door.

I don't want to also change the rear speakers. I'm
concerned that a new set of speakers for the front
will have a different tonal range, and sound
than the rear.

I believe that the rear speakers are JBLs.

What do you suggest for this car?
Another set of JBLs?

Should I get the four speaker models that also
include tweeters?


Thanks a lot!

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Old 16 Sep 2006, 05:08 pm   #2 (permalink)
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Replace the Camry with a Lexus. Then ask us what to do with it. We
won't have any more helpfull ideas, but we will feel better about
assuring you they are right - we just don't know about Toyotas!

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Old 16 Sep 2006, 05:38 pm   #3 (permalink)
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Well speakers are pretty much personal preference.Alpine,JL,Rockford
Fosgate etc. all have great speakers.The components will make a huge SQ
difference because it will be clearer and you can raise the sound stage
to your ear level. So the best thing to do is go audition a bunch of
different speakers and then decide based on what you liked most.Good
luck!

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Old 16 Sep 2006, 05:41 pm   #4 (permalink)
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condor_222@yahoo.com, 9/16/2006,4:22:56 PM, wrote:

> Dear experts,
>
> I have a 97 Camry XLE with the premium sound system.
> Six speakers. Two rear. Two in the doors.
> Two tweeters near the rear view mirrors.
>
> Unfortunately, the tape and CD self destructed.
> so, I changed to the Alpine model CDA-9856 which
> allowed me to use my IPOD. Also play MP3s.
> It sounds awesome.
>
> Since changing it, I've since discovered that the
> front passenger door speaker needs replacing. It
> makes huge vibrating noises during certain parts of
> songs. I did take off the door panel, and take
> it to Tweeter, and they assured me it was the
> speaker, not something in the door.
>
> I don't want to also change the rear speakers. I'm
> concerned that a new set of speakers for the front
> will have a different tonal range, and sound
> than the rear.
>
> I believe that the rear speakers are JBLs.
>
> What do you suggest for this car?
> Another set of JBLs?
>
> Should I get the four speaker models that also
> include tweeters?
>
>
> Thanks a lot!


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9&cc=01&wm=tn&cm_re_o=fB5EzM*5yBpFwEAN*l5TjN99

or

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Old 16 Sep 2006, 06:19 pm   #5 (permalink)
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Well, your description of the car and the speaker compliment was a bit
vague. I think you are saying that you have tweeters in the sail-panels
(they are near the rear-view mirrors) and midbass drivers in the doors.

AND, it seems the problem is with the midbass driver, so you need to replace
those.

If that is the case, several things come into play. First of all (and this
is in no particular order), it generally doesn't matter whether your front
speakers match your rear-speakers (timbre wise, or brand wise, or size wise,
etc..). The reason being that when playing MUSIC in a car, you want your
rear speakers barely audible to give your music some "presence" (the term we
use is "rear-fill"). The BULK of the sound (like at a concert) should seem
like it is coming from in front of you. So for this reason it is generally
considered not important to timbre match the front and rear speakers. In a
home-theater situation, however, it's entirely different. There you DO want
all your speakers to match to retain sonic continuity as the action on
screen moves from one side of the room to the other. If you are planning to
build a full-blown car theater with a 5.1, 6.1, or 7.1 channel surround
sound processor, then obviously you WOULD want to timbre match your
speakers.

OK, the next thing to consider is your existing tweeters in the sail-panels
(or at least I THINK you mean the sail panels). Those tweeters were
obviously designed to work with the midbass drivers that came with the car
so I would plan on NOT re-using those. There is obviously a crossover
network somewhere that is designed SPECIFICALLY to work with the
characteristics (impedances, frequency responses, sensitivities, etc.) of
those two drivers (the woofer and tweeter). You simply can't just plug in a
different type of woofer and expect it to work right.

So it sounds to me like you need an entirely new "front stage" (not just new
woofers). There are two ways to go: coaxials and separates. Coaxials are
those type of speakers that contain the woofer and tweeter together, on the
same "co" axis. Separates are what you had, the woofer and tweeter are
mounted separately. Separates tend to sound better and cost more (there are
a number of reasons for this, one of which is that they almost always use an
outboard crossover network that ensures each speaker gets the frequencies
it's best designed to handle). As you already have a place to mount your
tweeters, this sounds like a good option for you.

But my experience has been that separates tend to be less "efficient" (see
the FAQ I posted if you don't know what this means) than coaxials. Many
separates practically NEED the addition of an outboard amplifier to sound
their best (or to sound decent at all) as their efficiency is so low and
even the most powerful HU's don't have enough power. The addition of an
amplifier is a good idea NO MATTER WHAT route you go, however, as an amp
will increase the dynamics and bass capability of your speakers.

Anyway, I hope some of this helps. Again, consult the FAQ to gain a better
handle on speaker basics.

MOSFET

<condor_222@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Dear experts,
>
> I have a 97 Camry XLE with the premium sound system.
> Six speakers. Two rear. Two in the doors.
> Two tweeters near the rear view mirrors.
>
> Unfortunately, the tape and CD self destructed.
> so, I changed to the Alpine model CDA-9856 which
> allowed me to use my IPOD. Also play MP3s.
> It sounds awesome.
>
> Since changing it, I've since discovered that the
> front passenger door speaker needs replacing. It
> makes huge vibrating noises during certain parts of
> songs. I did take off the door panel, and take
> it to Tweeter, and they assured me it was the
> speaker, not something in the door.
>
> I don't want to also change the rear speakers. I'm
> concerned that a new set of speakers for the front
> will have a different tonal range, and sound
> than the rear.
>
> I believe that the rear speakers are JBLs.
>
> What do you suggest for this car?
> Another set of JBLs?
>
> Should I get the four speaker models that also
> include tweeters?
>
>
> Thanks a lot!
>



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Old 16 Sep 2006, 06:39 pm   #6 (permalink)
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In article <1158438176.396422.77040@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.c om>,
<condor_222@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>What do you suggest for this car?
>Another set of JBLs?


Well, this is rec.audio.pro. I recommend you sell the car. That will give
you almost enough money to get the bottom of the line Griffin monitoring
speakers. They won't get you to work, but you'll hear a lot better at home
where it's quiet anyway.
--scott

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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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Old 16 Sep 2006, 09:38 pm   #7 (permalink)
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mcbrue wrote:
> Replace the Camry with a Lexus. Then ask us what to do with it. We
> won't have any more helpfull ideas, but we will feel better about
> assuring you they are right - we just don't know about Toyotas!


I have a Lexus, and the components of the sound system are so tightly
integrated that you can't replace anything with other than the genuine
replacement part without tearing out the whole system. There are
amplifiers scatted all over the cabin.

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Old 17 Sep 2006, 07:56 am   #8 (permalink)
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condor_222@yahoo.com wrote:

I am responding from the Camry forum and compared to these experts, I'm
a simple guy with a simple opinion but reasonably discriminating
sensibilities.
I put an Alpine HU in an earlier version Camry with stock speakers and
found the sound to be quite excellent at a very reasonable cost, thus
my suggestion would be to simply replace the defective door speaker
with like kind.
If you are dissatisfied with the result - I think not, the Alpine
sounds great through stock speakers - you can then decide whether you
want coaxial or separate setup, whether to add a separate amplifier,
and so on.

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Old 17 Sep 2006, 08:39 am   #9 (permalink)
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replace nothing
it is obvious you have blown the system
just buy an IPOD, and some good headphones

and learn to post to appropriate groups
as I found this in the recording audio professional

or buy a bose system,
and have ford motor co install it

maybe cheese dog will bark into this as he knows everything

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Old 17 Sep 2006, 06:35 pm   #10 (permalink)
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On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:08:09 -0700, mcbrue wrote:

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> Replace the Camry with a Lexus. Then ask us what to do with it. We won't
> have any more helpfull ideas, but we will feel better about assuring you
> they are right - we just don't know about Toyotas!


Isn't a Lexus essentially a Toyota with leather seats?

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