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Old 10 Nov 2006, 05:44 pm   #1 (permalink)
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I am a long time Chrysler user that has become disenchanted with the
product since Daimler took over.
Am seriously thinking of Toyota, mostly because of the positive
comments I have read over the last months.
Other than a huge difference in cost, what are the real differences
between the Camry and Avalon. The Avalon appears a bit larger, but
mechanically seems about the same.
So....other than some of the 'glitz' that is apparent on the Avalon,
are there any real differences. Quietness of ride, sound insulation,
comfort of seats....etc ? ?
A test drive at the dealer is obviously a way to get a quick overview,
but would sure like some opinions from users/owners out there.
Thanks ! !
Zork

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Old 10 Nov 2006, 07:01 pm   #2 (permalink)
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You can compare them at
http://www.toyota.com/toyotacomparat...nComparator.do

the 6cyl 07 Camry has the identical engine as the Avalon. The Avalon
is about 7.5" longer (thus more rear legroom) and weighs almost the
same. Except for the body and options they seem to be identical cars.
Though the Avalon drives more like a Buick and only comes in a 6cyl 5sp
automatic. The Camry can be had with a 6sp auto in a 4 or 6cyl.

I would go for a fully loaded Camry SE v6 unless you need more legroom.


Zork wrote:
> I am a long time Chrysler user that has become disenchanted with the
> product since Daimler took over.
> Am seriously thinking of Toyota, mostly because of the positive
> comments I have read over the last months.
> Other than a huge difference in cost, what are the real differences
> between the Camry and Avalon. The Avalon appears a bit larger, but
> mechanically seems about the same.
> So....other than some of the 'glitz' that is apparent on the Avalon,
> are there any real differences. Quietness of ride, sound insulation,
> comfort of seats....etc ? ?
> A test drive at the dealer is obviously a way to get a quick overview,
> but would sure like some opinions from users/owners out there.
> Thanks ! !
> Zork


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Old 10 Nov 2006, 08:33 pm   #3 (permalink)
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I had a 1999 300M and a 2001 Avalon. My wife and I both preferred the 300M.
Try to find an Avalon with some miles on it and drive it on a secondary
road before making your decision.



"Zork" <zork100@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>I am a long time Chrysler user that has become disenchanted with the
> product since Daimler took over.
> Am seriously thinking of Toyota, mostly because of the positive
> comments I have read over the last months.
> Other than a huge difference in cost, what are the real differences
> between the Camry and Avalon. The Avalon appears a bit larger, but
> mechanically seems about the same.
> So....other than some of the 'glitz' that is apparent on the Avalon,
> are there any real differences. Quietness of ride, sound insulation,
> comfort of seats....etc ? ?
> A test drive at the dealer is obviously a way to get a quick overview,
> but would sure like some opinions from users/owners out there.
> Thanks ! !
> Zork
>



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Old 11 Nov 2006, 02:11 am   #4 (permalink)
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I test drove a camry and an a avalon I bought the camry
I didn't want the 6 cyl. I got the 4 cyl. in the camry they both ride nice
but the avalon rides a bit better. I was a chevy guy but had to change when
chevy pissed me off with a low trade bid on
my Monte Carlo.
"Zork" <zork100@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>I am a long time Chrysler user that has become disenchanted with the
> product since Daimler took over.
> Am seriously thinking of Toyota, mostly because of the positive
> comments I have read over the last months.
> Other than a huge difference in cost, what are the real differences
> between the Camry and Avalon. The Avalon appears a bit larger, but
> mechanically seems about the same.
> So....other than some of the 'glitz' that is apparent on the Avalon,
> are there any real differences. Quietness of ride, sound insulation,
> comfort of seats....etc ? ?
> A test drive at the dealer is obviously a way to get a quick overview,
> but would sure like some opinions from users/owners out there.
> Thanks ! !
> Zork
>



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Old 11 Nov 2006, 02:18 pm   #5 (permalink)
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"Zork" <zork100@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>I am a long time Chrysler user that has become disenchanted with the
> product since Daimler took over.
> Am seriously thinking of Toyota, mostly because of the positive
> comments I have read over the last months.
> Other than a huge difference in cost, what are the real differences
> between the Camry and Avalon. The Avalon appears a bit larger, but
> mechanically seems about the same.
> So....other than some of the 'glitz' that is apparent on the Avalon,
> are there any real differences. Quietness of ride, sound insulation,
> comfort of seats....etc ? ?
> A test drive at the dealer is obviously a way to get a quick overview,
> but would sure like some opinions from users/owners out there.
> Thanks ! !
> Zork
>

All I can say is that 9 years ago we bought a 97 Camry from Hertz auto
sales. Loved it (and still do) but in '04 we went back to see about
upgrading (and going newer) and drove a late Camry, Accord, Hyundai Sonata,
and something else. The Accord was nice, and so was the Sonata (which would
have been my 2nd favorite) and the Camry was very nice, but as I drove it, I
thought "Well, this is not really much of an upgrade, because it seems to
drive just like ours only a little stiffer..." Finally, just before
leaving, we happened on an '03 Avalon, and took it for a spin. Within a
block, we knew what our next car would be... It's like a Super Camry, not a
whole lot bigger, (only three inches wider and six inches longer, but it
feels bulletproof and solid. Every accessory known to man except GPS, and
even a 6 disc cd player and windshield wipers that turn on when it rains.
We've had it 2 1/2 years now and absolutely no troubles.
(Bear in mind I'm talking about an '03 model...the new 07 Camrys and
Avalons leave me lukewarm.


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Old 13 Nov 2006, 09:00 pm   #6 (permalink)
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Zork wrote:
> > Other than a huge difference in cost, what are the real differences

> between the Camry and Avalon. The Avalon appears a bit larger, but
> mechanically seems about the same.
>


The Camry, Avalon and Lexus ES350 are all based on a similar platform
with very similar mechanicals. Unless you carry 4 passengers and
luggage on a routine basis, the 4 cylinder Camry offers outstanding
fuel economy in a mid-sized car, with a full complement of safety
features, standard, for around $20K. The Hybrid Camry offers even
better mpg. If you've gotta have that V6 and prefer a luxury ride, you
may want to consider the Lexus despite its higher cost. Remember, any
of these cars will most likely last at least 200,000 miles with routine
maintenance and few repairs. Check insurance premiums, sometimes that
will make your mind up for you.

Personnally, although I consider my Toyota Sienna the best family
vehicle I've ever owned, driving Toyota/Lexus/Scion products leaves me
cold. Simply unengaging. Great automotive appliances, to be sure.

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Old 13 Nov 2006, 10:43 pm   #7 (permalink)
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The Avalon has been a clonker, either this generation or the last.
There are magazine articles on this if you do the search. The current
generation Avalon, based on a Lexus chassis, is better than the
previous genneration but is still not as good as its Lexus cousin. The
07 Camry has a tranny that can skip gears. Dunno about the 07 Avalon.

So you may want to consider the entry level Lexus. It's got better care
and attention to assembly details and better parts. The way I see it
is: good Toyota workers get promoted to Lexus; misfit Lexus workers get
demoted to Toyota.

And if you need to spend any more money than an entry level Lexus, then
you should consider products from Bayerische Motoren Werke. I would.
And certainly the Japanese domestic customers would.



Zork wrote:
> I am a long time Chrysler user that has become disenchanted with the
> product since Daimler took over.
> Am seriously thinking of Toyota, mostly because of the positive
> comments I have read over the last months.
> Other than a huge difference in cost, what are the real differences
> between the Camry and Avalon. The Avalon appears a bit larger, but
> mechanically seems about the same.
> So....other than some of the 'glitz' that is apparent on the Avalon,
> are there any real differences. Quietness of ride, sound insulation,
> comfort of seats....etc ? ?
> A test drive at the dealer is obviously a way to get a quick overview,
> but would sure like some opinions from users/owners out there.
> Thanks ! !
> Zork


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Old 14 Nov 2006, 06:16 pm   #8 (permalink)
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johngdole@hotmail.com wrote:
> And if you need to spend any more money than an entry level Lexus, then
> you should consider products from Bayerische Motoren Werke. I would.
> And certainly the Japanese domestic customers would.

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I wouldn't.
I've owned BMW and Mercedes.
You're buying panache, elan, expensive style.
Perhaps that's why the genuine Toyota parts are a requirement for me.
Compared to the really ridiculous prices on the German cars, they're
reasonable, and frankly, having done my own mechanical work on both, I
don't see a difference in quality.

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Old 14 Nov 2006, 06:45 pm   #9 (permalink)
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ACAR wrote:
> driving Toyota/Lexus/Scion products leaves me
> cold. Simply unengaging. Great automotive appliances, to be sure.

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I heard this before I bought the Camry. One of the reviews I read said
people either found it too plain or appreciating how smoothly it
performs every task.
If you've been driving a Corvette around the track hard enough to pull
the fuel economy down under 8 mpg, you're not going to be "engaged" by
a 4 cylinder Camry, and to the average driver they are appliances.
However, there is a refinement, grace, and enduring design that can be
found if sought in the right spirit -- more akin to a fine watch than a
jet ski.
An appliance conjures up the image of a refrigerator to me. Now I like
my refrigerator. After I replaced the defrost timer and thermocouple,
it works really great. This after the factory service person failed to
fix my newer Kenmore.
I was once offered a sixties vintage Corolla - in perfect condition -
free, and rejected it for lack of handling and power, but I find my '94
Camry stable at 112 mph, and it actually sounds not too unengaging at
WOT as it upshifts at redline out of third gear around 95.
Actually, I don't feel comfortable with a vehicle until I've been
through it mechanically, and on mine I've replaced all lubricants with
full synthetic, plus new ball joints, axles, control arms, seals,
ignition components, belts, idlers, re torqued the subframe fasteners,
etc. The skilled individual owner can exercise a level of care
generally unavailable elsewhere.
It's a personal preference. You don't always merge by accelerating in
front, you often slip in behind, but by driving skillfully, you're
rarely left behind when necessary.
That 100+ was pacing the new Z car on a country highway one early
morning.
I realize a Camry enthusiast is almost an oxymoron, but it can be fun.
There's the integral fairing beneath the third air inlet for the
radiator, and the integral forced air cool intake tract exiting next to
the battery just next to the intake air - to extend battery life as
well as enhance power. There are the long, tuned individual intake
runners to provide "inertial supercharging effect" mid range. The
electrical wiring done by true craftsmen even where it is never seen,
like inside the rear fenders.
There's an overall economy of design that is exceedingly well done down
to the tiniest detail.

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Old 15 Nov 2006, 12:42 am   #10 (permalink)
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<johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> The Avalon has been a clonker, either this generation or the last.
> There are magazine articles on this if you do the search



Have you driven such an Avalon actually, or are you relying on some
subjective magazine articles to establish this belief?

I have a 2003 Avalon and think it's the best car I've ever owned....with the
ride a Camry should have but doesn't.
It's a car you can drive 500 miles in a day and go out dancing in the
evening, rock steady on the road and quiet at highway speed. Although it
has only 210 hp, it can merge into highway traffic easily, and when you
floor it, you GO with no hesitation. The Avalon, especially the XLS model,
has all the bells and whistles you want, and unlike a lot of German
automobiles, the electronics won't fail you. And by the way, I'm told by a
transmission specialist who flushed and refilled the transmission, that it's
a Lexus transmission.
I like this generation of Avalons, better than the newer design, which seems
to have lost its cachet and now just looks like any other modern car.



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