TOYOTA QUALITY IS THE THING OF THE PAST

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Old 18 Nov 2006, 01:00 am   #1 (permalink)
M. M. Schmidt
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During my vacation in Hawaii, my host lent me his 2000 Toyota Camry for a
couple of weeks. I had heard many praises about the Camry but I was
greatly disappointed of the spotty quality of the Camry. I am convinced
that Toyota is more about quantity than quality these days. Here are just
a few examples:

1. Wind noise and road noise from "leaky" rear doors. According to my
friend, this has always been the problem since day one of his new car.
2. The owner's manual contains some serious errors such as engine oil
capacity: the manual said 1.6 quarts while the actual capacity is 4.7
qts! I want to get my hands on the bastard who's responsible for the
owner's manual editing.
3. Gas mileage is not as good as Toyota's propaganda machine wants you to
think.
4. There are many lose spots in the assembly process,e.g.,headlights are
not assembled correctly.
5. Transmission shifting is rough.
7. Engine idling rough (Toyota dealers said it's "normal")

Beside the lack of quality once known of Toyota, the dealers often
reflect the we-don't-care attitude of Toyota company. These people seem
to redefine the meaning scumbags through their tremedous lack of business
ethics and professionalism.

I would never spend my own money on a Toyota. Someday Toyota is going to
face the downfall like GM as it gets too big and too arrogant to care
about quality.

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Old 18 Nov 2006, 02:30 am   #2 (permalink)
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Has the car ever been wrecked ?? Could account for the wind noise. But
it sounds like your friends car has been neglected & needs to be taken to
a different dealer for a proper diag & tuneup
My ex has a 2001 4 cyl and it is hard to tell if it is running when
you are stopped at a traffic light

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Old 18 Nov 2006, 04:24 am   #3 (permalink)
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"M. M. Schmidt" <mmschmidt@keevee.com> wrote in message
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> During my vacation in Hawaii, my host lent me his 2000 Toyota Camry for a
> couple of weeks. I had heard many praises about the Camry but I was
> greatly disappointed of the spotty quality of the Camry. I am convinced
> that Toyota is more about quantity than quality these days. Here are just
> a few examples:
>

Not sure when Tojo quality was good, but our '91 Camry is fairly average in
most of those departments. Only thing is, it has lasted pretty well. Still
doesn't burn/lose oil for instance.


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Old 19 Nov 2006, 12:18 am   #4 (permalink)
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The 7 year old car has some wear and tear over the years. But the
general consensus is that since the 1997+ cost cutting the quality
hasn't been as good as earlier ones.

Hey, at least that engine didn't sludge up on you and seize, or the
intake manifold buzzes intermittently like the 2002+ 2.4L engines, or
the transmission skips gears like some 2007 Camrys. But at least Toyota
management acknowledges it and pledges to improve. We'll see.


M. M. Schmidt wrote:
> During my vacation in Hawaii, my host lent me his 2000 Toyota Camry for a
> couple of weeks. I had heard many praises about the Camry but I was
> greatly disappointed of the spotty quality of the Camry. I am convinced
> that Toyota is more about quantity than quality these days. Here are just
> a few examples:
>
> 1. Wind noise and road noise from "leaky" rear doors. According to my
> friend, this has always been the problem since day one of his new car.
> 2. The owner's manual contains some serious errors such as engine oil
> capacity: the manual said 1.6 quarts while the actual capacity is 4.7
> qts! I want to get my hands on the bastard who's responsible for the
> owner's manual editing.
> 3. Gas mileage is not as good as Toyota's propaganda machine wants you to
> think.
> 4. There are many lose spots in the assembly process,e.g.,headlights are
> not assembled correctly.
> 5. Transmission shifting is rough.
> 7. Engine idling rough (Toyota dealers said it's "normal")
>
> Beside the lack of quality once known of Toyota, the dealers often
> reflect the we-don't-care attitude of Toyota company. These people seem
> to redefine the meaning scumbags through their tremedous lack of business
> ethics and professionalism.
>
> I would never spend my own money on a Toyota. Someday Toyota is going to
> face the downfall like GM as it gets too big and too arrogant to care
> about quality.
>
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Old 19 Nov 2006, 11:15 am   #5 (permalink)
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I owned a Camry 2001 for about a year and got rid of it as soon as I
found a good deal on an Accord (Honda). I must agree with you that Toyota
quality is not what people are expecting these days. Toyota is pushing to
be the biggest global car manufacturers so they are more concerned with
quantity than quality. The irony here is Toyota seems to follow the same
foot path of GM, a miserable failure in quality control. And that is
what's brought GM to its knees today. The consumers can only tolerate so
much of lies in advertisements. The bottom line is the consumers will
eventually be in the driver seat.

GM and Ford on the other hand, have taken a different approach. They try
to "absorb" other not-doing-so-well car companies like SAAB (Swedish),
Subaru (Japanese), Jaguar (British), Holden (Australian), Volvo (Swedish)
and ruin their repuation with the same junk products they've fed the
consumers for years. This is an evil business strategy: buy the
competitors out then kill them - one by one. This eventualy leaves no
competition. And the consumers will have no choice but to buy junks from
GM or Ford, and now Toyota.

I would just buy a very good, realiable car and stock up parts for the
car and not buy another car for as long I can. Buying new car is money
thrown away. What makes it worse is many parts are now made in China,
where quality has no meaning.



"M. M. Schmidt" <mmschmidt@keevee.com> wrote in
> I would never spend my own money on a Toyota. Someday Toyota is going
> to face the downfall like GM as it gets too big and too arrogant to
> care about quality.
>



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Old 19 Nov 2006, 02:57 pm   #6 (permalink)
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"Rodeo" <rodeojoe@synchronix.com> wrote in message
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They try to "absorb" other not-doing-so-well car companies like SAAB
(Swedish),
> Subaru (Japanese), Jaguar (British), Holden (Australian), Volvo (Swedish)
> and ruin their repuation with the same junk products they've fed the
> consumers for years. This is an evil business strategy: buy the
> competitors out then kill them - one by one. This eventualy leaves no
> competition. And the consumers will have no choice but to buy junks from
> GM or Ford, and now Toyota.
>

Holden have basically always been GM, they revived/reinvented a company
(about 1948?) which had failed years earlier I believe. Big marketing con -
"the Australian car". Jaguar had already gone off and maybe Volvo too, while
Ford & GM cars have improved a bit.


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Old 19 Nov 2006, 04:20 pm   #7 (permalink)
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On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 20:57:49 GMT, "jg" <jg@nospam.com> graced this
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>"Rodeo" <rodeojoe@synchronix.com> wrote in message
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> They try to "absorb" other not-doing-so-well car companies like SAAB
>(Swedish),
>> Subaru (Japanese), Jaguar (British), Holden (Australian), Volvo (Swedish)
>> and ruin their repuation with the same junk products they've fed the
>> consumers for years. This is an evil business strategy: buy the
>> competitors out then kill them - one by one. This eventualy leaves no
>> competition. And the consumers will have no choice but to buy junks from
>> GM or Ford, and now Toyota.
>>

>Holden have basically always been GM, they revived/reinvented a company
>(about 1948?) which had failed years earlier I believe. Big marketing con -
>"the Australian car". Jaguar had already gone off and maybe Volvo too, while
>Ford & GM cars have improved a bit.
>



Ironically, post Ford takeover Jags have a significantly higher
reliability record than pre-Ford Jags.

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Old 19 Nov 2006, 05:08 pm   #8 (permalink)
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.. M. Schmidt wrote:
> During my vacation in Hawaii, my host lent me his 2000 Toyota Camry for a
> couple of weeks. I had heard many praises about the Camry but I was
> greatly disappointed of the spotty quality of the Camry. I am convinced
> that Toyota is more about quantity than quality these days. Here are just
> a few examples:


one example, good or bad, is totally irrelevant, all cars made today
are light years ahead of cars i've driven in the 70's,

....snip complaints

all your compliants seem minor or subjective.... no alternator
failures, no starter failures, no stalling, no wheels failing off, no
brakes failing, no transmission slipping, no smoke pouring out of hood,
no overheating, no loud clunks over bumps, no steering binding on
turns, no shocks leaking, no oil leaking, no window handles failing
off, no doors jamming,no electrical problems, no alignment problems,no
ac problems, no heating problems

just, it runs a little "rough" and noisy and a typo in a manual, and
dealers are jerks, please, you are wwwwwaaaayyyyy to spoiled and whiny

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Old 19 Nov 2006, 07:23 pm   #9 (permalink)
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<bungalow_steve@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>. M. Schmidt wrote:
>> During my vacation in Hawaii, my host lent me his 2000 Toyota Camry for a
>> couple of weeks. I had heard many praises about the Camry but I was
>> greatly disappointed of the spotty quality of the Camry. I am convinced
>> that Toyota is more about quantity than quality these days. Here are just
>> a few examples:

>
> one example, good or bad, is totally irrelevant, all cars made today
> are light years ahead of cars i've driven in the 70's,
>
> ...snip complaints
>
> all your compliants seem minor or subjective.... no alternator
> failures, no starter failures, no stalling, no wheels failing off, no
> brakes failing, no transmission slipping, no smoke pouring out of hood,
> no overheating, no loud clunks over bumps, no steering binding on
> turns, no shocks leaking, no oil leaking, no window handles failing
> off, no doors jamming,no electrical problems, no alignment problems,no
> ac problems, no heating problems
>
> just, it runs a little "rough" and noisy and a typo in a manual, and
> dealers are jerks, please, you are wwwwwaaaayyyyy to spoiled and whiny
>

'70's cars weren't that good although I few I knew exhibited any of the
troubles in your list, at least in the first 10 years. 80's cars were better
and many are still running, but some personal comparisons with later
examples (not specifically Tojos) lead me to suspect the quality of some
(Volvos for instance) might have "peaked" 10-15 years ago.


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Old 20 Nov 2006, 10:58 am   #10 (permalink)
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M. M. Schmidt wrote:
> I am convinced
> that Toyota is more about quantity than quality these days.

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Obviously they're related.
Sales volume cannot be increased without building customer
satisfaction.
I used to wonder, however, how long Toyota would or could continue to
build cars that would last twenty years and 300,000 to 400,000 miles
when the competition was meeting a far lower mark.

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