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Old 18 Dec 2006, 03:42 pm   #1 (permalink)
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.... what else can be changed at the same time, while working on that
side of the engine?

I know about the timing belt, but what other seals, pulleys, etc?

Thanks,

Michael

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Old 18 Dec 2006, 03:43 pm   #2 (permalink)
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mrdarr...@gmail.com wrote:
> ... what else can be changed at the same time, while working on that
> side of the engine?
>
> I know about the timing belt, but what other seals, pulleys, etc?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael



Oops, meant to say Water Pump in addition to timing belt.

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Old 19 Dec 2006, 08:31 am   #3 (permalink)
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mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
> ... what else can be changed at the same time, while working on that
> side of the engine?
>
> I know about the timing belt, but what other seals, pulleys, etc?

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Depends on how thorough you want to be.
I like to be thorough, keep the car running like new forever.
My experience is with the 1994 four cylinder.
There is a crankshaft oil seal, oil pump oil seal, oil pump O ring, and
camshaft oil seal. All of these are inexpensive. I purchased a special
tool to install the camshaft oil seal because with the strut tower so
close you don't have room to drive in the seal. For the crankshaft
seal, I took the part to Home Depot and found a plumbing pipe just the
right size to drive it in, then used a wood block and mallet. The oil
pump oil seal could be pressed in by hand.
The idler and tensioner bearings should be replaced and install a new
tensioner spring.
Apply extra force to the new belt, allow it to relax being held by the
spring, then tighten the adjustment pulley. Otherwise it will be too
loose.
I also replaced the accessory drive belts and used a Burroughs belt
tension gauge from eBay to set tension at 130 lbs.
Change water pump and thermostat. Next time I change the water pump I
am also going to install new bolts. I noticed a slight amount of
corrosion on some and prefer not to wait until they break during some
later removal.
Some of the gasket material for the timing belt plastic cover was
missing so I replaced them also.
I think you'll find after replacing the engine oil seals, if you have
them it is also a good idea to change the distributor O ring, valve
cover gasket, PCV grommet and fuel cap gasket along with the oil seals
under the valve cover nuts.
On my model I also change the spark plugs and fuel filter. Recommend a
crow foot flare nut wrench for the lower fitting and soak in Kroil
first.
Remove the crankshaft pulley first to make removing the engine mount
bolts more accessible.
I also changed the spark plug wires, distributor cap and rotor and
alternator brushes.
I my case, although you may not need to do this, I also re sealed the
engine oil pan, changed the transmission pan gasket and drained and
replaced the coolant.

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Daniel wrote:
> mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
> > ... what else can be changed at the same time, while working on that
> > side of the engine?
> >
> > I know about the timing belt, but what other seals, pulleys, etc?

> ==========================
> Depends on how thorough you want to be.
> I like to be thorough, keep the car running like new forever.
> My experience is with the 1994 four cylinder.
> There is a crankshaft oil seal, oil pump oil seal, oil pump O ring, and
> camshaft oil seal. All of these are inexpensive. I purchased a special
> tool to install the camshaft oil seal because with the strut tower so
> close you don't have room to drive in the seal. For the crankshaft
> seal, I took the part to Home Depot and found a plumbing pipe just the
> right size to drive it in, then used a wood block and mallet. The oil
> pump oil seal could be pressed in by hand.
> The idler and tensioner bearings should be replaced and install a new
> tensioner spring.
> Apply extra force to the new belt, allow it to relax being held by the
> spring, then tighten the adjustment pulley. Otherwise it will be too
> loose.
> I also replaced the accessory drive belts and used a Burroughs belt
> tension gauge from eBay to set tension at 130 lbs.
> Change water pump and thermostat. Next time I change the water pump I
> am also going to install new bolts. I noticed a slight amount of
> corrosion on some and prefer not to wait until they break during some
> later removal.
> Some of the gasket material for the timing belt plastic cover was
> missing so I replaced them also.
> I think you'll find after replacing the engine oil seals, if you have
> them it is also a good idea to change the distributor O ring, valve
> cover gasket, PCV grommet and fuel cap gasket along with the oil seals
> under the valve cover nuts.
> On my model I also change the spark plugs and fuel filter. Recommend a
> crow foot flare nut wrench for the lower fitting and soak in Kroil
> first.
> Remove the crankshaft pulley first to make removing the engine mount
> bolts more accessible.
> I also changed the spark plug wires, distributor cap and rotor and
> alternator brushes.
> I my case, although you may not need to do this, I also re sealed the
> engine oil pan, changed the transmission pan gasket and drained and
> replaced the coolant.



There's a gasket for the water pump too, right?

Thank you for the reply. I am making a list of stuff to order from
www.toyotadiscountparts.com for my timing belt job. Then I will give
the parts to a local mechanic (recommended by a friend) to change the
timing belt. (I'm learning, but I'm not *quite* there yet.)

Michael

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Old 19 Dec 2006, 05:52 pm   #5 (permalink)
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<mrdarrett@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> There's a gasket for the water pump too, right?

>
> Thank you for the reply. I am making a list of stuff to order from
> www.toyotadiscountparts.com for my timing belt job. Then I will give
> the parts to a local mechanic (recommended by a friend) to change the
> timing belt. (I'm learning, but I'm not *quite* there yet.)
>
> Michael


I'm not sure how happy the mechanic will be to install the parts you've
purchased elsewhere. Mechanics generally buy their parts at close to
wholesale and know what they need to accomplish a job, and make some dough
from the difference between what they pay and what they charge you. It's a
little like taking your own steak to a restaurant and having them cook it
for you, and charging you only for the chef's time.
>



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mack wrote:
> <mrdarrett@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1166558219.871608.250370@80g2000cwy.googlegro ups.com...
> >> There's a gasket for the water pump too, right?

> >
> > Thank you for the reply. I am making a list of stuff to order from
> > www.toyotadiscountparts.com for my timing belt job. Then I will give
> > the parts to a local mechanic (recommended by a friend) to change the
> > timing belt. (I'm learning, but I'm not *quite* there yet.)
> >
> > Michael

>
> I'm not sure how happy the mechanic will be to install the parts you've
> purchased elsewhere. Mechanics generally buy their parts at close to
> wholesale and know what they need to accomplish a job, and make some dough
> from the difference between what they pay and what they charge you. It's a
> little like taking your own steak to a restaurant and having them cook it
> for you, and charging you only for the chef's time.
> >



Point well taken. I just don't want the mechanic to install a
third-party water pump.

I guess it's a bit like taking a $10+/lb Filet Mignon to the local
restaurant, which only serves $3/lb London Broil, and asking them to
cook it for me. If they complain, I can always go elsewhere... ;-)

Dealer definitely is out. I'd rather try it myself, and take a whole
week to do the job, than take it there.

Michael

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Old 20 Dec 2006, 04:21 pm   #7 (permalink)
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>> Dealer definitely is out. I'd rather try it myself, and take a whole

> week to do the job, than take it there.
>
> Michael
>

Going to a dealer is like going to a resort.....the last resort!


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Old 20 Dec 2006, 09:41 pm   #8 (permalink)
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Hahaha, I don't go to the dealer too. But right now I'm forced to go to
them since my 07 Camry is still new, maybe in the future I'll do them
myself or go to other shops. I don't want to mess up anything while its
still in warranty period. Not literally, but I just want to have the
Toyota dealer record for the first years. Am I just wasting my money or
just as long as I keep records like oil and filter proof of purchase
and stuff will be accepted by Toyota just in case there is a problem on
my car and have to take it back for warranty?

>>
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> Going to a dealer is like going to a resort.....the last resort!


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Old 21 Dec 2006, 07:34 pm   #9 (permalink)
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How many miles on the engine? If first belt change replace belt and
inspect everything else. If second change and still on original water
pump. Change out belt, water pump and idler pulley. Inspect the seals
for leaking.


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Old 26 Dec 2006, 11:06 pm   #10 (permalink)
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These are the typical parts that should be changed when that area of
the engine is taken apart. The gasket (o-ring) is usually included with
the water pump. You don't need the water inlet housing, just the pump
would do.

Some people change the pump with every other belt. But while in there,
I'd just change it out. Cheap enough every 60K miles.

(www.rockauto.com prices for 3/5SFE)
GATES TCK199 (kit of timing belt with two pulleys and instruction)
$84.79
GATES Part # K030295 PS belt $4.32
GATES Part # K050435 Alt/AC $12.12
FEL-PRO TCS45641 Cam seal $4.11
FEL-PRO TCS45920 Crank seal $6.04
BCA Part # 221820 Oil pump seal $2.71
AISIN (Toyota #16110-79185) water pump $58.79
FEL-PRO VS50304R valve cover gasket set $13.94


mrdarrett@gmail.com wrote:
> Point well taken. I just don't want the mechanic to install a
> third-party water pump.
>
> I guess it's a bit like taking a $10+/lb Filet Mignon to the local
> restaurant, which only serves $3/lb London Broil, and asking them to
> cook it for me. If they complain, I can always go elsewhere... ;-)
>
> Dealer definitely is out. I'd rather try it myself, and take a whole
> week to do the job, than take it there.
>
> Michael


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