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Old 09 Nov 2011, 10:54 am   #1 (permalink)
Jeff Strickland
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Default Here we go again... Another Recall

http://news.yahoo.com/toyota-recalls...073049887.html

This is all we need, a Toyota careening down the highway, gas pedal stuck to
the floor and the steering locked up.

I hope this is all happening in front of my BMW...

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Old 09 Nov 2011, 04:11 pm   #2 (permalink)
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In article <j9eb7m$nc7$1@dont-email.me>,
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote:

> http://news.yahoo.com/toyota-recalls...-073049887.htm
> l
>
> This is all we need, a Toyota careening down the highway, gas pedal stuck to
> the floor and the steering locked up.
>
> I hope this is all happening in front of my BMW...


It's ok. A chance for a new part. I have not heard if my 2004 Sienna
is involved, but I have confidence if it is, I will get a letter. I
don't notice any problem with my Sienna as I drive it.
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Old 09 Nov 2011, 05:16 pm   #3 (permalink)
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On 2011-11-09 14:11:40 -0800, dbu'' <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> said:

> In article <j9eb7m$nc7$1@dont-email.me>,
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/toyota-recalls...-073049887.htm
>> l
>>
>> This is all we need, a Toyota careening down the highway, gas pedal stuck to
>> the floor and the steering locked up.
>>
>> I hope this is all happening in front of my BMW...

>
> It's ok. A chance for a new part. I have not heard if my 2004 Sienna
> is involved, but I have confidence if it is, I will get a letter. I
> don't notice any problem with my Sienna as I drive it.


Interesting about Jeff's BMW. We've had zero trouble with our '05.
Zip. Nada.

But our Toyotas? I won't go there.

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Old 09 Nov 2011, 05:37 pm   #4 (permalink)
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In article <j9f1k8$lhq$1@dont-email.me>,
Conscience <obama.is@fraud.gov> wrote:

> On 2011-11-09 14:11:40 -0800, dbu'' <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> said:
>
> > In article <j9eb7m$nc7$1@dont-email.me>,
> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> http://news.yahoo.com/toyota-recalls...ssue-073049887.
> >> htm
> >> l
> >>
> >> This is all we need, a Toyota careening down the highway, gas pedal stuck
> >> to
> >> the floor and the steering locked up.
> >>
> >> I hope this is all happening in front of my BMW...

> >
> > It's ok. A chance for a new part. I have not heard if my 2004 Sienna
> > is involved, but I have confidence if it is, I will get a letter. I
> > don't notice any problem with my Sienna as I drive it.

>
> Interesting about Jeff's BMW. We've had zero trouble with our '05.
> Zip. Nada.
>
> But our Toyotas? I won't go there.


What's wrong with your Toyota? Model?
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Old 09 Nov 2011, 07:01 pm   #5 (permalink)
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On 2011-11-09 15:37:47 -0800, dbu'' <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> said:

> In article <j9f1k8$lhq$1@dont-email.me>,
> Conscience <obama.is@fraud.gov> wrote:
>
>> On 2011-11-09 14:11:40 -0800, dbu'' <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> said:
>>
>>> In article <j9eb7m$nc7$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/toyota-recalls...ssue-073049887.
>>>> htm
>>>> l
>>>>
>>>> This is all we need, a Toyota careening down the highway, gas pedal stuck
>>>> to
>>>> the floor and the steering locked up.
>>>>
>>>> I hope this is all happening in front of my BMW...
>>>
>>> It's ok. A chance for a new part. I have not heard if my 2004 Sienna
>>> is involved, but I have confidence if it is, I will get a letter. I
>>> don't notice any problem with my Sienna as I drive it.

>>
>> Interesting about Jeff's BMW. We've had zero trouble with our '05.
>> Zip. Nada.
>>
>> But our Toyotas? I won't go there.

>
> What's wrong with your Toyota? Model?


Two of them. My Tacoma and the wife's Camry. The Taco had electrical
troubles, bumper defect, bed mounted crooked from the factory, brake
disc warpage. The Japanese-made Camry blew the transmission at 107K
miles. We had a factory extended warranty to 100K, but they wouldn't
even discuss the issue even after presented with dealership maintenance
records.

On both vehicles, the oil and transmissions were serviced regularly.
There were no issues that could be blamed on neglect.
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Old 09 Nov 2011, 07:39 pm   #6 (permalink)
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"dbu''" <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:_eSdnR4yp683lSbTnZ2dnUVZ5g-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> It's ok. A chance for a new part. I have not heard if my 2004 Sienna
> is involved, but I have confidence if it is, I will get a letter. I
> don't notice any problem with my Sienna as I drive it.
> --
>


The Reuters article is worded in "dumbass-eze" but it sounds like a bad
harmonic balancer rubber ring in the crank pulley. Somehow the misalignment
can break off the power steering pulley, which is probably fiberglass
reinforced plastic, likely by making the belt jump off to one side and get
up on the pulley lips.

The problem is that such a misalignment should cause chirping or squealing,
I know this personally as the rubber ring slipped on my '95 Grand Caravan SE
3.3 and now the outer ring wobbles as it spins, causing the belt to chirp at
idle and squeal at higher RPM. BTW Chrysler 3.3/3.8 engines like mine are
known to throw off the belt if it gets water splashed on it from rain or a
puddle, this causes exactly the same symptoms (unassisted steering) as this
recall. Mine has slipped some in the rain but never come off, but the one
on our '92 Dynasty 3.3 fell off every time it so much as sprinkled, I kept
the necessary tools to put it back on in the car and had the routing
memorized so well I could have it put back on in less than 5 minutes.

This recall sounds like it will be blown all out of proportion as usual,
apparently people are no longer capable of driving a car with unassisted
steering.


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Old 09 Nov 2011, 10:40 pm   #7 (permalink)
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On Nov 9, 5:01*pm, Conscience <obama...@fraud.gov> wrote:
> On 2011-11-09 15:37:47 -0800, dbu'' <nos...@nobama.com.invalid> said:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <j9f1k8$lh...@dont-email.me>,
> > *Conscience <obama...@fraud.gov> wrote:

>
> >> On 2011-11-09 14:11:40 -0800, dbu'' <nos...@nobama.com.invalid> said:

>
> >>> In article <j9eb7m$nc...@dont-email.me>,
> >>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> >>>>http://news.yahoo.com/toyota-recalls...ing-issue-0730.....
> >>>> htm
> >>>> l

>
> >>>> This is all we need, a Toyota careening down the highway, gas pedal stuck
> >>>> to
> >>>> the floor and the steering locked up.

>
> >>>> I hope this is all happening in front of my BMW...

>
> >>> It's ok. *A chance for a new part. *I have not heard if my 2004 Sienna
> >>> is involved, but I have confidence if it is, I will get a letter. *I
> >>> don't notice any problem with my Sienna as I drive it.

>
> >> Interesting about Jeff's BMW. *We've had zero trouble with our '05.
> >> Zip. *Nada.

>
> >> But our Toyotas? *I won't go there.

>
> > What's wrong with your Toyota? *Model?

>
> Two of them. *My Tacoma and the wife's Camry. *The Taco had electrical
> troubles, bumper defect, bed mounted crooked from the factory, brake
> disc warpage. *The Japanese-made Camry blew the transmission at 107K
> miles. *We had a factory extended warranty to 100K, but they wouldn't
> even discuss the issue even after presented with dealership maintenance
> records.
>
> On both vehicles, the oil and transmissions were serviced regularly.
> There were no issues that could be blamed on neglect.
> --
> "Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly
> respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties,
> or his possessions." --James Madison



Hmm... did you do a trans. flush fairly often, then? I hear the trans
drain-and-fill technique is superior to a tranny flush (less stressful
on the trans), but that's just from what I hear.

Michael
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Old 10 Nov 2011, 06:20 am   #8 (permalink)
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On 2011-11-09 20:40:10 -0800, Michael <mrdarrett@gmail.com> said:

> Hmm... did you do a trans. flush fairly often, then? I hear the trans
> drain-and-fill technique is superior to a tranny flush (less stressful
> on the trans), but that's just from what I hear.


Only one flush at around 75K. The rest were drain-and-fill; normal service.

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Old 10 Nov 2011, 05:28 pm   #9 (permalink)
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In article <j9gfj8$t01$1@dont-email.me>,
Conscience <obama.is@fraud.gov> wrote:

> On 2011-11-09 20:40:10 -0800, Michael <mrdarrett@gmail.com> said:
>
> > Hmm... did you do a trans. flush fairly often, then? I hear the trans
> > drain-and-fill technique is superior to a tranny flush (less stressful
> > on the trans), but that's just from what I hear.

>
> Only one flush at around 75K. The rest were drain-and-fill; normal service.


I don't know of any requirement to flush the transmission. Is there one
with your extended warranty?

I'm quite aback the dealer didn't at least help you out some even if it
was beyond by a mere 7000 miles/ 100000 mile, AFTER you paid extra for
an extended warranty. It would seem to me to be good to have done that,
help out a good customer even though past warranty. It is good business
which transfers to more good in the long run. This is amounts to bad
press for that dealership and Toyota.
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Old 10 Nov 2011, 05:34 pm   #10 (permalink)
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In article <j9fa0m$9f7$1@dont-email.me>,
"Daniel who wants to know" <me@here.edu> wrote:

> "dbu''" <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:_eSdnR4yp683lSbTnZ2dnUVZ5g-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
> >
> > It's ok. A chance for a new part. I have not heard if my 2004 Sienna
> > is involved, but I have confidence if it is, I will get a letter. I
> > don't notice any problem with my Sienna as I drive it.
> > --
> >

>
> The Reuters article is worded in "dumbass-eze" but it sounds like a bad
> harmonic balancer rubber ring in the crank pulley. Somehow the misalignment
> can break off the power steering pulley, which is probably fiberglass
> reinforced plastic, likely by making the belt jump off to one side and get
> up on the pulley lips.
>
> The problem is that such a misalignment should cause chirping or squealing,
> I know this personally as the rubber ring slipped on my '95 Grand Caravan SE
> 3.3 and now the outer ring wobbles as it spins, causing the belt to chirp at
> idle and squeal at higher RPM. BTW Chrysler 3.3/3.8 engines like mine are
> known to throw off the belt if it gets water splashed on it from rain or a
> puddle, this causes exactly the same symptoms (unassisted steering) as this
> recall. Mine has slipped some in the rain but never come off, but the one
> on our '92 Dynasty 3.3 fell off every time it so much as sprinkled, I kept
> the necessary tools to put it back on in the car and had the routing
> memorized so well I could have it put back on in less than 5 minutes.
>
> This recall sounds like it will be blown all out of proportion as usual,
> apparently people are no longer capable of driving a car with unassisted
> steering.


I can remember decades ago driving a car without ps. But, but nothing
like driving a front wheel drive with rack and pinion steering without
PS assist. I think it would surprise many if it suddenly went away, PS
that is. It can be a safety concern for sure, IMHO. We get dependent
on these things over time. Like who would want to be with out anti-lock
brakes...
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