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Old 08 Jan 2012, 09:44 am   #1 (permalink)
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Is the [standard advertised] brake inspection
the only way to tell if brakes need replacing?

I have a 2003 Avalon, with about 31,000 miles.
I think I'm easy on the brakes.
As you can see, I don't drive alot.

I have no reason to think they need replacing,
I'm just thinking of the future.

thanks, marc
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Old 08 Jan 2012, 03:27 pm   #2 (permalink)
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"marc" <markphd21@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Is the [standard advertised] brake inspection
> the only way to tell if brakes need replacing?
>
> I have a 2003 Avalon, with about 31,000 miles.
> I think I'm easy on the brakes.
> As you can see, I don't drive alot.
>
> I have no reason to think they need replacing,
> I'm just thinking of the future.
>
> thanks, marc



There is one way to tell if brakes need replacing, look at them.

Well, there is another way. Drive them until there is metal on metal
screaching noises, then replace them.

Brake wear has more to do with how you use them than it does with how many
miles you have gone. If you do 30,000 miles in stop and go traffic, such as
an urban freeway in rush hour, then you are very hard on the brakes and may
need them at 31,000 miles. If you do 30,000 miles on the open road and
seldom apply the brakes, then you might not need them until you get to
100,000 miles. It's all about HOW MUCH they are use, not how far the car has
gone.

If you use them heavily, then they go fast. If you use them lightly, then
they last a long time. If you want to be proactive and replace pads before
you destroy the rotors, the only way to do that is look at them. If you can
see through the spokes on the rim, then perhaps you can look at them without
taking the tires off. Usually, the tires have to come off though. You can
easily see what needs to be seen to judge if the brakes are worn, or not.

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Old 08 Jan 2012, 04:31 pm   #3 (permalink)
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"marc" <markphd21@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Is the [standard advertised] brake inspection
> the only way to tell if brakes need replacing?
>
> I have a 2003 Avalon, with about 31,000 miles.
> I think I'm easy on the brakes.
> As you can see, I don't drive alot.
>
> I have no reason to think they need replacing,
> I'm just thinking of the future.
>
> thanks, marc


A little more information would be nice, for instance where are you, and
when was the last inspection and what was done?
One thing is pad and disk wear, you most likely need to take the wheels off
to inspect that.
There are minimum thicknesses for pads and disks, and look for groves in the
disks, but most likely all is well.
If the inner and outer pads are very unequal in thickness some sliders are
stuck and need to be freed or changed.
How old is the brake fluid ? That should probably be changed too, because of
age.
Not only driving habits (and pad type) but also the climate affect the
lifetime of brake parts (incl. fluid).

Asbjorn


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Old 09 Jan 2012, 07:29 am   #4 (permalink)
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"Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "marc" <markphd21@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Is the [standard advertised] brake inspection
>> the only way to tell if brakes need replacing?
>>
>> I have a 2003 Avalon, with about 31,000 miles.
>> I think I'm easy on the brakes.
>> As you can see, I don't drive alot.
>>
>> I have no reason to think they need replacing,
>> I'm just thinking of the future.
>>
>> thanks, marc

>
>
> There is one way to tell if brakes need replacing, look at them.
>
> Well, there is another way. Drive them until there is metal on metal
> screaching noises, then replace them.
>
> Brake wear has more to do with how you use them than it does with how many
> miles you have gone. If you do 30,000 miles in stop and go traffic, such
> as an urban freeway in rush hour, then you are very hard on the brakes and
> may need them at 31,000 miles. If you do 30,000 miles on the open road and
> seldom apply the brakes, then you might not need them until you get to
> 100,000 miles. It's all about HOW MUCH they are use, not how far the car
> has gone.
>
> If you use them heavily, then they go fast. If you use them lightly, then
> they last a long time. If you want to be proactive and replace pads before
> you destroy the rotors, the only way to do that is look at them. If you
> can see through the spokes on the rim, then perhaps you can look at them
> without taking the tires off. Usually, the tires have to come off though.
> You can easily see what needs to be seen to judge if the brakes are worn,
> or not.


My ex-wife could wear out a set of brakes in 20,000 miles. My sister drivng
the same type of vehicle wouldn't wear the brakes out in 100,000 miles. Who
drives, where they drive, and how they drive has more to do with brake (and
tire) wear than what they drive.

I always look at the brakes when I rotate my tires. If you pay a shop to
rotate the tires, then ask them to look. Chances are they will look whether
you ask them or not since they'd like to sell you a brake job (unless you go
to a place like Costco for tires).

Ed


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Old 09 Jan 2012, 08:54 am   #5 (permalink)
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On 2012-01-09 05:29:26 -0800, "C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> said:

> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:jed1nm$sju$1@dont-email.me...
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>> "marc" <markphd21@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> Is the [standard advertised] brake inspection
>>> the only way to tell if brakes need replacing?
>>>
>>> I have a 2003 Avalon, with about 31,000 miles.
>>> I think I'm easy on the brakes.
>>> As you can see, I don't drive alot.
>>>
>>> I have no reason to think they need replacing,
>>> I'm just thinking of the future.
>>>
>>> thanks, marc

>>
>>
>> There is one way to tell if brakes need replacing, look at them.
>>
>> Well, there is another way. Drive them until there is metal on metal
>> screaching noises, then replace them.
>>
>> Brake wear has more to do with how you use them than it does with how many
>> miles you have gone. If you do 30,000 miles in stop and go traffic, such
>> as an urban freeway in rush hour, then you are very hard on the brakes and
>> may need them at 31,000 miles. If you do 30,000 miles on the open road and
>> seldom apply the brakes, then you might not need them until you get to
>> 100,000 miles. It's all about HOW MUCH they are use, not how far the car
>> has gone.
>>
>> If you use them heavily, then they go fast. If you use them lightly, then
>> they last a long time. If you want to be proactive and replace pads before
>> you destroy the rotors, the only way to do that is look at them. If you
>> can see through the spokes on the rim, then perhaps you can look at them
>> without taking the tires off. Usually, the tires have to come off though.
>> You can easily see what needs to be seen to judge if the brakes are worn,
>> or not.

>
> My ex-wife could wear out a set of brakes in 20,000 miles. My sister drivng
> the same type of vehicle wouldn't wear the brakes out in 100,000 miles. Who
> drives, where they drive, and how they drive has more to do with brake (and
> tire) wear than what they drive.
>
> I always look at the brakes when I rotate my tires. If you pay a shop to
> rotate the tires, then ask them to look. Chances are they will look whether
> you ask them or not since they'd like to sell you a brake job (unless you go
> to a place like Costco for tires).
>
> Ed


No matter the vehicle, particularly my Bimmer, I never get beyond 20K
with any set of brakes.

Aggressive driving is more costly. ;-)

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Old 09 Jan 2012, 11:31 am   #6 (permalink)
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"Conscience" <obama.is@fraud.gov> wrote in message
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> On 2012-01-09 05:29:26 -0800, "C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com>
> said:
>
>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:jed1nm$sju$1@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>> "marc" <markphd21@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:9526496.2645.1326037471580.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqlp13...
>>>> Is the [standard advertised] brake inspection
>>>> the only way to tell if brakes need replacing?
>>>>
>>>> I have a 2003 Avalon, with about 31,000 miles.
>>>> I think I'm easy on the brakes.
>>>> As you can see, I don't drive alot.
>>>>
>>>> I have no reason to think they need replacing,
>>>> I'm just thinking of the future.
>>>>
>>>> thanks, marc
>>>
>>>
>>> There is one way to tell if brakes need replacing, look at them.
>>>
>>> Well, there is another way. Drive them until there is metal on metal
>>> screaching noises, then replace them.
>>>
>>> Brake wear has more to do with how you use them than it does with how
>>> many
>>> miles you have gone. If you do 30,000 miles in stop and go traffic, such
>>> as an urban freeway in rush hour, then you are very hard on the brakes
>>> and
>>> may need them at 31,000 miles. If you do 30,000 miles on the open road
>>> and
>>> seldom apply the brakes, then you might not need them until you get to
>>> 100,000 miles. It's all about HOW MUCH they are use, not how far the car
>>> has gone.
>>>
>>> If you use them heavily, then they go fast. If you use them lightly,
>>> then
>>> they last a long time. If you want to be proactive and replace pads
>>> before
>>> you destroy the rotors, the only way to do that is look at them. If you
>>> can see through the spokes on the rim, then perhaps you can look at them
>>> without taking the tires off. Usually, the tires have to come off
>>> though.
>>> You can easily see what needs to be seen to judge if the brakes are
>>> worn,
>>> or not.

>>
>> My ex-wife could wear out a set of brakes in 20,000 miles. My sister
>> drivng
>> the same type of vehicle wouldn't wear the brakes out in 100,000 miles.
>> Who
>> drives, where they drive, and how they drive has more to do with brake
>> (and
>> tire) wear than what they drive.
>>
>> I always look at the brakes when I rotate my tires. If you pay a shop to
>> rotate the tires, then ask them to look. Chances are they will look
>> whether
>> you ask them or not since they'd like to sell you a brake job (unless you
>> go
>> to a place like Costco for tires).
>>
>> Ed

>
> No matter the vehicle, particularly my Bimmer, I never get beyond 20K with
> any set of brakes.
>


How long do you get between oil leaks?

The SO and I were chuckling about the next door neighbors. They have four
vehicles - one of those new Prosche SUV things (perhaps the stupidiest
vehicle on the planet), a giant Mercedes Diesel SUV (way up there in the
stupid idea index), a BMW 3 series convertible (I lust after it), and a KIA
SUV. I noticed the other day that there was carboard under the Mercedes SUV.
Turns out it is leaking oil (again) and the owner is trying to protect their
prisentine concrete driveway. Of course both the Porsche and BMW are
regualrly in the shop for something or other. Thank god they have the KIA.
Otherwise we might have to give them lifts to get the over priced German
crap out of the shop. I love the way German cars drive and the interior room
etc., BUT it terms of reliability they are crap. I've never owned a US built
car as bad as any BMW I have personal knowledge of (which admittedly is only
6 or so). And despite how attractive I find certain VW products, I just
can't imagine buying one (well unless I have lots of money and a couple of
spare cars). I would love to have the neighbor's BMW, but only as a weekend
car. I'd never trust it as a daily driver.

Ed


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Old 09 Jan 2012, 12:19 pm   #7 (permalink)
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"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "marc" <markphd21@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:9526496.2645.1326037471580.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqlp13...
>>> Is the [standard advertised] brake inspection
>>> the only way to tell if brakes need replacing?
>>>
>>> I have a 2003 Avalon, with about 31,000 miles.
>>> I think I'm easy on the brakes.
>>> As you can see, I don't drive alot.
>>>
>>> I have no reason to think they need replacing,
>>> I'm just thinking of the future.
>>>
>>> thanks, marc

>>
>>
>> There is one way to tell if brakes need replacing, look at them.
>>
>> Well, there is another way. Drive them until there is metal on metal
>> screaching noises, then replace them.
>>
>> Brake wear has more to do with how you use them than it does with how
>> many miles you have gone. If you do 30,000 miles in stop and go traffic,
>> such as an urban freeway in rush hour, then you are very hard on the
>> brakes and may need them at 31,000 miles. If you do 30,000 miles on the
>> open road and seldom apply the brakes, then you might not need them until
>> you get to 100,000 miles. It's all about HOW MUCH they are use, not how
>> far the car has gone.
>>
>> If you use them heavily, then they go fast. If you use them lightly, then
>> they last a long time. If you want to be proactive and replace pads
>> before you destroy the rotors, the only way to do that is look at them.
>> If you can see through the spokes on the rim, then perhaps you can look
>> at them without taking the tires off. Usually, the tires have to come off
>> though. You can easily see what needs to be seen to judge if the brakes
>> are worn, or not.

>
> My ex-wife could wear out a set of brakes in 20,000 miles. My sister
> drivng the same type of vehicle wouldn't wear the brakes out in 100,000
> miles. Who drives, where they drive, and how they drive has more to do
> with brake (and tire) wear than what they drive.
>
> I always look at the brakes when I rotate my tires. If you pay a shop to
> rotate the tires, then ask them to look. Chances are they will look
> whether you ask them or not since they'd like to sell you a brake job
> (unless you go to a place like Costco for tires).
>
> Ed
>


I'm not sure I would ask somebody that sells brakes to tell me if I needed
brakes.

I took my kid's Tacoma -- she took it, actually -- for service at the Toyota
dealership once. They told her the brakes had some low percentage of the
pads remaining. She declined the repairs and came home with brake pads for
she and I to install -- she actually knows how to install brake pads.
Anyway, the old pads had fully 70% of the material that the new pads had.
She did not need brakes at all.

So, asking somebody that sells brakes if you need brakes is a pretty good
way to find out that, yes indeed, you need brakes -- even if you don't.



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Old 09 Jan 2012, 12:21 pm   #8 (permalink)
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On 2012-01-09 09:31:59 -0800, "C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> said:

>> No matter the vehicle, particularly my Bimmer, I never get beyond 20K with
>> any set of brakes.
>>

>
> How long do you get between oil leaks?


Not sure what you mean. None of our vehicles leak a drop of anything.
????


> The SO and I were chuckling about the next door neighbors. They have four
> vehicles - one of those new Prosche SUV things (perhaps the stupidiest
> vehicle on the planet), a giant Mercedes Diesel SUV (way up there in the
> stupid idea index), a BMW 3 series convertible (I lust after it), and a KIA
> SUV. I noticed the other day that there was carboard under the Mercedes SUV.
> Turns out it is leaking oil (again) and the owner is trying to protect their
> prisentine concrete driveway. Of course both the Porsche and BMW are
> regualrly in the shop for something or other. Thank god they have the KIA.
> Otherwise we might have to give them lifts to get the over priced German
> crap out of the shop. I love the way German cars drive and the interior room
> etc., BUT it terms of reliability they are crap. I've never owned a US built
> car as bad as any BMW I have personal knowledge of (which admittedly is only
> 6 or so). And despite how attractive I find certain VW products, I just
> can't imagine buying one (well unless I have lots of money and a couple of
> spare cars). I would love to have the neighbor's BMW, but only as a weekend
> car. I'd never trust it as a daily driver.


Our Bimmer is a 'vert, 2005, with 26K on the odometer. A weekend
driver, but has never failed us on road trips. It's never been in the
shop for anything other than maintenance, and a squeaky side window
caused by rubbing against the top. A little dry lube quiets it for a
while, but it always comes back. There are no trouble-free
convertibles in some respect.

Here's a picture of our model, though ours is graphite rather than
silver. It's got the ZHP performance package which essentially makes
it drive like an M3, but without the maintenance costs. ;-)

<http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/...lClubGC_VA.jpg
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Old 09 Jan 2012, 01:13 pm   #9 (permalink)
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"Conscience" <obama.is@fraud.gov> wrote in message
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> On 2012-01-09 09:31:59 -0800, "C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com>
> said:
>
>>> No matter the vehicle, particularly my Bimmer, I never get beyond 20K
>>> with
>>> any set of brakes.
>>>

>>
>> How long do you get between oil leaks?

>
> Not sure what you mean. None of our vehicles leak a drop of anything.
> ????
>
>
>> The SO and I were chuckling about the next door neighbors. They have four
>> vehicles - one of those new Prosche SUV things (perhaps the stupidiest
>> vehicle on the planet), a giant Mercedes Diesel SUV (way up there in the
>> stupid idea index), a BMW 3 series convertible (I lust after it), and a
>> KIA
>> SUV. I noticed the other day that there was carboard under the Mercedes
>> SUV.
>> Turns out it is leaking oil (again) and the owner is trying to protect
>> their
>> prisentine concrete driveway. Of course both the Porsche and BMW are
>> regualrly in the shop for something or other. Thank god they have the
>> KIA.
>> Otherwise we might have to give them lifts to get the over priced German
>> crap out of the shop. I love the way German cars drive and the interior
>> room
>> etc., BUT it terms of reliability they are crap. I've never owned a US
>> built
>> car as bad as any BMW I have personal knowledge of (which admittedly is
>> only
>> 6 or so). And despite how attractive I find certain VW products, I just
>> can't imagine buying one (well unless I have lots of money and a couple
>> of
>> spare cars). I would love to have the neighbor's BMW, but only as a
>> weekend
>> car. I'd never trust it as a daily driver.

>
> Our Bimmer is a 'vert, 2005, with 26K on the odometer. A weekend driver,
> but has never failed us on road trips. It's never been in the shop for
> anything other than maintenance, and a squeaky side window caused by
> rubbing against the top. A little dry lube quiets it for a while, but it
> always comes back. There are no trouble-free convertibles in some
> respect.
>
> Here's a picture of our model, though ours is graphite rather than silver.
> It's got the ZHP performance package which essentially makes it drive like
> an M3, but without the maintenance costs. ;-)
>
> <http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/...lClubGC_VA.jpg
> >



I have a '94 325iC with 145k miles, and it is perhaps the most trouble free
car I have ever owned. I've had it for 7 years, almost 8, (and put 40k miles
on it) and the O2 sensor went out in the past year. I replaced the Coolant
Level Sending unit a few weeks ago. The rest of the service I have done is
replace the rotten convertible top, replace the lower control arms to get
new balljoints and bushings, replace shocks and struts, and replace brakes.
My BMWs (I've had 4, and still have 2) have been very trouble free.

I have to say, in the grand scheme of things, the BMWs I have owned
demonstrate excellent engineering and design.






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Old 09 Jan 2012, 01:17 pm   #10 (permalink)
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thanks all,

I hope to have the tires rotated soon,
so I'll have them look at the brakes then.

Interesting point about who looks at them.
If the person wants to sell brakes, then...

I'm very easy on the brakes, I think.
I'm in Las Vegas,
and I don't know when they were looked at last.
The brake fluid is original, I think.
Is 8-9 years too old for fluid?

thanks, marc
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