Trans fluid change on 2005 Camry XLE

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Old 07 Mar 2012, 04:52 pm   #1 (permalink)
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Default Trans fluid change on 2005 Camry XLE

In viewing Toyota's maintenance schedule for the 2005 Camry XLE, I do
not see any transmission service in there, specifically changing
fluid. My wife's 2005 Camry has 43k on it and it's never been done
(she's not the original owner). I'm kind of concerned as15-20k is
usually the standard mileage for a trans flush. Does this sound right
to you guys?

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Old 07 Mar 2012, 05:41 pm   #2 (permalink)
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"Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP]" <.@.> wrote in message
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> In viewing Toyota's maintenance schedule for the 2005 Camry XLE, I do
> not see any transmission service in there, specifically changing
> fluid. My wife's 2005 Camry has 43k on it and it's never been done
> (she's not the original owner). I'm kind of concerned as15-20k is
> usually the standard mileage for a trans flush. Does this sound right
> to you guys?
>
> - Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP]



No. 15-20K sounds way to frequent for me. 50k miles sounds more like it.

Some cars are buillt with "lifetime" fluid in the transmission, I don't know
that Toyota is among them. but the owner's manual should tell you what the
service interval is, or it should tell you that the fluid is lifetime. If
the fluid is "lifetime", I'd go ahead and have the trans serviced. It turns
out, they don't do a very good job of telling you what lifetime means -- the
life of the car, the life of the trans, or the life of the fluid.


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Old 07 Mar 2012, 06:22 pm   #3 (permalink)
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"Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP]" <.@.> wrote in message
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>> In viewing Toyota's maintenance schedule for the 2005 Camry XLE, I do
>> not see any transmission service in there, specifically changing
>> fluid. My wife's 2005 Camry has 43k on it and it's never been done
>> (she's not the original owner). I'm kind of concerned as15-20k is
>> usually the standard mileage for a trans flush. Does this sound right
>> to you guys?
>>
>> - Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP]

>
>
> No. 15-20K sounds way to frequent for me. 50k miles sounds more like it.
>
> Some cars are buillt with "lifetime" fluid in the transmission, I don't
> know that Toyota is among them. but the owner's manual should tell you
> what the service interval is, or it should tell you that the fluid is
> lifetime. If the fluid is "lifetime", I'd go ahead and have the trans
> serviced. It turns out, they don't do a very good job of telling you what
> lifetime means -- the life of the car, the life of the trans, or the life
> of the fluid.
>
>


That car should take Toyota WS fluid, yes it is usually listed as a lifetime
fluid, and yes it would be good to have it changed, but not flushed. never
let a shop use a trans flush machine on a vehicle, if the fluid is burnt
then after you change what is in the pan you can unhook a cooler line, start
the engine, and let the trans pump the old fluid out while pouring the new
in to replace what is in the torque converter. When the fluid coming out
becomes the same color (or close to it) as the new shut off the engine and
hook the line back up.


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Old 08 Mar 2012, 02:19 pm   #4 (permalink)
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>"Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP]" <.@.> wrote in message
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>> In viewing Toyota's maintenance schedule for the 2005 Camry XLE, I do
>> not see any transmission service in there, specifically changing
>> fluid. My wife's 2005 Camry has 43k on it and it's never been done
>> (she's not the original owner). I'm kind of concerned as15-20k is
>> usually the standard mileage for a trans flush. Does this sound right
>> to you guys?
>>
>> - Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP]

>
>
>No. 15-20K sounds way to frequent for me. 50k miles sounds more like it.
>
>Some cars are buillt with "lifetime" fluid in the transmission, I don't know
>that Toyota is among them. but the owner's manual should tell you what the
>service interval is, or it should tell you that the fluid is lifetime. If
>the fluid is "lifetime", I'd go ahead and have the trans serviced. It turns
>out, they don't do a very good job of telling you what lifetime means -- the
>life of the car, the life of the trans, or the life of the fluid.


Yes, I can see how lifetime means one thing to Toyota and another
thing to the rest of us. I printed the manual but it doesn't
specifically say Replace Transmission Fluid at certain mileage
milestones. It does say to *Inspect* trans fluid at every 30k. But
again, I know from experience that trans fluid has to be changed at
some point. There is no such thing as trans fluid that never, ever has
to be changed. Dare I call up a dealership and ask for some info? I
assume they'll say bring it in just to make a buck. Cheers.

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Old 08 Mar 2012, 02:22 pm   #5 (permalink)
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>"Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> "Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP]" <.@.> wrote in message
>> news:f0mfl7la0j37ietjrciqegmddugetoho91@4ax.com...
>>> In viewing Toyota's maintenance schedule for the 2005 Camry XLE, I do
>>> not see any transmission service in there, specifically changing
>>> fluid. My wife's 2005 Camry has 43k on it and it's never been done
>>> (she's not the original owner). I'm kind of concerned as15-20k is
>>> usually the standard mileage for a trans flush. Does this sound right
>>> to you guys?
>>>
>>> - Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP]

>>
>>
>> No. 15-20K sounds way to frequent for me. 50k miles sounds more like it.
>>
>> Some cars are buillt with "lifetime" fluid in the transmission, I don't
>> know that Toyota is among them. but the owner's manual should tell you
>> what the service interval is, or it should tell you that the fluid is
>> lifetime. If the fluid is "lifetime", I'd go ahead and have the trans
>> serviced. It turns out, they don't do a very good job of telling you what
>> lifetime means -- the life of the car, the life of the trans, or the life
>> of the fluid.
>>
>>

>
>That car should take Toyota WS fluid, yes it is usually listed as a lifetime
>fluid, and yes it would be good to have it changed, but not flushed. never
>let a shop use a trans flush machine on a vehicle, if the fluid is burnt
>then after you change what is in the pan you can unhook a cooler line, start
>the engine, and let the trans pump the old fluid out while pouring the new
>in to replace what is in the torque converter. When the fluid coming out
>becomes the same color (or close to it) as the new shut off the engine and
>hook the line back up.


If I was a mechanic, what you said would probably make more sense to
me but I get the gist. It's not something that I want to mess with
myself. For tans stuff, I almost always go to the dealership since
they are more knowledgeable than a chain shop. But at 43k, I am
thinking it's about time, just to be safe. I suppose I can dig under
the hood and see if there's a trans stick or something so have a look
at the fluid color but I don't know what clean fluid looks like versus
dirty fluid. Bit out of my league and I just want to be safe rather
than sorry.

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Old 08 Mar 2012, 02:47 pm   #6 (permalink)
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"Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP]" <.@.> wrote in message
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> >"Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP]" <.@.> wrote in message
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>>> In viewing Toyota's maintenance schedule for the 2005 Camry XLE, I do
>>> not see any transmission service in there, specifically changing
>>> fluid. My wife's 2005 Camry has 43k on it and it's never been done
>>> (she's not the original owner). I'm kind of concerned as15-20k is
>>> usually the standard mileage for a trans flush. Does this sound right
>>> to you guys?
>>>
>>> - Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP]

>>
>>
>>No. 15-20K sounds way to frequent for me. 50k miles sounds more like it.
>>
>>Some cars are buillt with "lifetime" fluid in the transmission, I don't
>>know
>>that Toyota is among them. but the owner's manual should tell you what the
>>service interval is, or it should tell you that the fluid is lifetime. If
>>the fluid is "lifetime", I'd go ahead and have the trans serviced. It
>>turns
>>out, they don't do a very good job of telling you what lifetime means --
>>the
>>life of the car, the life of the trans, or the life of the fluid.

>
> Yes, I can see how lifetime means one thing to Toyota and another
> thing to the rest of us. I printed the manual but it doesn't
> specifically say Replace Transmission Fluid at certain mileage
> milestones. It does say to *Inspect* trans fluid at every 30k. But
> again, I know from experience that trans fluid has to be changed at
> some point. There is no such thing as trans fluid that never, ever has
> to be changed. Dare I call up a dealership and ask for some info? I
> assume they'll say bring it in just to make a buck. Cheers.
>
> - Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP]


You could call them. Or, you could change the fluid at 50-60k miles like
they did in the olden days.




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Old 08 Mar 2012, 02:55 pm   #7 (permalink)
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"Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP]" <.@.> wrote in message
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> >"Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>> "Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP]" <.@.> wrote in message
>>> news:f0mfl7la0j37ietjrciqegmddugetoho91@4ax.com...
>>>> In viewing Toyota's maintenance schedule for the 2005 Camry XLE, I do
>>>> not see any transmission service in there, specifically changing
>>>> fluid. My wife's 2005 Camry has 43k on it and it's never been done
>>>> (she's not the original owner). I'm kind of concerned as15-20k is
>>>> usually the standard mileage for a trans flush. Does this sound right
>>>> to you guys?
>>>>
>>>> - Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP]
>>>
>>>
>>> No. 15-20K sounds way to frequent for me. 50k miles sounds more like it.
>>>
>>> Some cars are buillt with "lifetime" fluid in the transmission, I don't
>>> know that Toyota is among them. but the owner's manual should tell you
>>> what the service interval is, or it should tell you that the fluid is
>>> lifetime. If the fluid is "lifetime", I'd go ahead and have the trans
>>> serviced. It turns out, they don't do a very good job of telling you
>>> what
>>> lifetime means -- the life of the car, the life of the trans, or the
>>> life
>>> of the fluid.
>>>
>>>

>>
>>That car should take Toyota WS fluid, yes it is usually listed as a
>>lifetime
>>fluid, and yes it would be good to have it changed, but not flushed. never
>>let a shop use a trans flush machine on a vehicle, if the fluid is burnt
>>then after you change what is in the pan you can unhook a cooler line,
>>start
>>the engine, and let the trans pump the old fluid out while pouring the new
>>in to replace what is in the torque converter. When the fluid coming out
>>becomes the same color (or close to it) as the new shut off the engine and
>>hook the line back up.

>
> If I was a mechanic, what you said would probably make more sense to
> me but I get the gist. It's not something that I want to mess with
> myself. For tans stuff, I almost always go to the dealership since
> they are more knowledgeable than a chain shop. But at 43k, I am
> thinking it's about time, just to be safe. I suppose I can dig under
> the hood and see if there's a trans stick or something so have a look
> at the fluid color but I don't know what clean fluid looks like versus
> dirty fluid. Bit out of my league and I just want to be safe rather
> than sorry.
>
> - Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP]



Clean fluid is red and smells good. Burned fluid is not red and does not
smell good.

Lots of cars today have a 100,000 mile change interval, and many have no
change interval specification -- the fluid is not changed on any interval. I
tend to reject the notion of "lifetime" fluid, and my limited experience is
that lifetime fluid lasts until the transmission does not work right --
shifts badly or not at all -- and then it is okay again when the fluid is
flushed. The problem with this is that the burned fluid leaves tarnish on
various valves that makes them sticky, and this is why the transmission
stopped working. If the fluid is changed, then the abrupt refusal to provide
reliable service can be averted -- which seems to be your question...

You can safely wait to 50k, that is half of what most cars call for. If you
don't want to wait that long, then at least wait for better weather so you
can go to the park or the beach and work on your tan while the guy changes
the transmission fluid.



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Old 08 Mar 2012, 04:34 pm   #8 (permalink)
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In article <jjb2rb$onb$1@dont-email.me>,
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote:

> my limited experience is
> that lifetime fluid lasts until the transmission does not work right --
> shifts badly or not at all -- and then it is okay again when the fluid is
> flushed.


"Lifetime fluid" is a self-defining term.

When the product stops working, its lifetime is over. You then get a
new product with new fluid inside.

I don't believe in "lifetime fluid" either. I just had the fluid
replaced today on my 07 Prius--there is no specified interval or method,
and I accepted the dealership's established method of running it with a
line detached to drain out the old while they put new in (they actually
call it a "transmission refresh", costs $120). Funny thing, it takes
the Toyota service computer to do something as part of this procedure;
my shop up the street couldn't do it, as much as he wanted to. What, I
can't do a simple drain/fill without involving a computer to reset
something??? At least Honda makes it simple: beyond a simple
drain/fill, their method of "more complete replacement" [not flush] is
three cycles of drain/fill/drive. Easy, works great, you can do it at
home, no proprietary service computer required.
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Old 08 Mar 2012, 05:16 pm   #9 (permalink)
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On 3/8/2012 3:34 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article<jjb2rb$onb$1@dont-email.me>,
> "Jeff Strickland"<crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> my limited experience is
>> that lifetime fluid lasts until the transmission does not work right --
>> shifts badly or not at all -- and then it is okay again when the fluid is
>> flushed.

>
> "Lifetime fluid" is a self-defining term.
>
> When the product stops working, its lifetime is over. You then get a
> new product with new fluid inside.
>
> I don't believe in "lifetime fluid" either. I just had the fluid
> replaced today on my 07 Prius--there is no specified interval or method,
> and I accepted the dealership's established method of running it with a
> line detached to drain out the old while they put new in (they actually
> call it a "transmission refresh", costs $120). Funny thing, it takes
> the Toyota service computer to do something as part of this procedure;
> my shop up the street couldn't do it, as much as he wanted to. What, I
> can't do a simple drain/fill without involving a computer to reset
> something??? At least Honda makes it simple: beyond a simple
> drain/fill, their method of "more complete replacement" [not flush] is
> three cycles of drain/fill/drive. Easy, works great, you can do it at
> home, no proprietary service computer required.


I wonder if that had something to do with it being a hybrid..
I'd never heard of a computer being needed to change the ATF..
I've been intending to do mine, as I'm up to about 67K miles..
I was going to do it at about 60k, but never get around to it..
I was going to use the "Honda" method, and just drain, and refill
with the same amount as drained, while also checking the level with
it running, warm.. Mine is a 05 Corolla, not a Prius..
Also, I do know that some Toyotas with WS fluid have a dipstick,
but some have no dipstick at all. They are in effect sealed, and
there is some special way to drain and refill the fluid.
Luckily, mine has a dipstick, so in theory, it should be easy to
refill.
I also don't believe in lifetime fluids, and the WS fluid in particular
is a low viscosity synthetic type stuff which is supposed to save gas
mileage. But being a low viscosity, if it goes bad, the lubrication is
likely not very good.
And I think it lubes not only the tranny, but the transaxle too.






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Old 08 Mar 2012, 06:13 pm   #10 (permalink)
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In article <jjbb55$d4n$1@dont-email.me>, NM5K <none@invalid.net> wrote:

> I'd never heard of a computer being needed to change the ATF..


neither had I, but my local service station--a standup guy, does a great
job, would love to have the work--tried like hell to get something
together with a buddy of his who has a transmission shop and who had the
computer. It ended up not working out, so I had to go to the dealer.

When I very first brought it up with the service writer, one of his
first words was about needing to reset the computer as part of the
procedure.

I dunno.
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