Toyota Corolla 2007 CE Oil Change Pump Question

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Old 25 Mar 2012, 11:56 am   #1 (permalink)
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Hello

Has anyone tried out an oil change pump for a 2007 Corolla CE?

http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/coroll...tyle=100773491



http://www.princessauto.com/pal/prod...luid-Extractor



Just wanted to know if there would be a problem fitting the plastic hose
through to the bottom of the dip stick pipe. I have read that on some
vehicles, the dip stick pipe stem is sort of crimped near the bottom
end, so a vacuum hose cannot pass through properly, or worse, get stuck
so it can't be pulled out the same way.

I've already purchased a ramp set to get underneath and remove the oil
filter, but if I can avoid removing the oil pan drain plug along with
having to replace the matching gasket every time, this might be a real
time saver. I tried something like it over 30 years ago, but it failed
miserably primarily due the fact that the vacuum jug was not rigid
enough and ended up collapsing after a short while of pumping.

Thanks!
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Old 25 Mar 2012, 02:05 pm   #2 (permalink)
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On 3/25/2012 10:56 AM, homepc wrote:
> Hello
>
> Has anyone tried out an oil change pump for a 2007 Corolla CE?


Nope.. I'd rather drain the oil.. I get the oil hot before
draining, and I feel more dirt is removed by draining.


>
> Just wanted to know if there would be a problem fitting the plastic hose
> through to the bottom of the dip stick pipe. I have read that on some
> vehicles, the dip stick pipe stem is sort of crimped near the bottom
> end, so a vacuum hose cannot pass through properly, or worse, get stuck
> so it can't be pulled out the same way.


Dunno about the pipe..
>
> I've already purchased a ramp set to get underneath and remove the oil
> filter, but if I can avoid removing the oil pan drain plug along with
> having to replace the matching gasket every time, this might be a real
> time saver. I tried something like it over 30 years ago, but it failed
> miserably primarily due the fact that the vacuum jug was not rigid
> enough and ended up collapsing after a short while of pumping.
>
> Thanks!


I don't even jack mine up to change the oil and filter..
The oil drain pan will slide under, and there is enough room
to pull the filter even without jacking it up. Or for me anyway..
I never change the oil drain plug gasket... Never had one leak
either..

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Old 25 Mar 2012, 03:52 pm   #3 (permalink)
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"homepc" <wiebe008@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hello
>
> Has anyone tried out an oil change pump for a 2007 Corolla CE?
>
> http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/coroll...tyle=100773491
>
>
>
> http://www.princessauto.com/pal/prod...luid-Extractor
>
>
>
> Just wanted to know if there would be a problem fitting the plastic hose
> through to the bottom of the dip stick pipe. I have read that on some
> vehicles, the dip stick pipe stem is sort of crimped near the bottom end,
> so a vacuum hose cannot pass through properly, or worse, get stuck so it
> can't be pulled out the same way.
>
> I've already purchased a ramp set to get underneath and remove the oil
> filter, but if I can avoid removing the oil pan drain plug along with
> having to replace the matching gasket every time, this might be a real
> time saver. I tried something like it over 30 years ago, but it failed
> miserably primarily due the fact that the vacuum jug was not rigid enough
> and ended up collapsing after a short while of pumping.
>
> Thanks!



Just a thought...

How is a pump/vacuum for <whatever the price is> better than putting the car
on one jackstand and taking the drain plug out for free? I don't see the
point in buying a vacuum that you will use once, maybe twice, a year when
you can take the drain plug out for free.





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Old 25 Mar 2012, 06:45 pm   #4 (permalink)
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"Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "homepc" <wiebe008@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Hello
>>
>> Has anyone tried out an oil change pump for a 2007 Corolla CE?
>>
>> http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/coroll...tyle=100773491
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.princessauto.com/pal/prod...luid-Extractor
>>
>>
>>
>> Just wanted to know if there would be a problem fitting the plastic hose
>> through to the bottom of the dip stick pipe. I have read that on some
>> vehicles, the dip stick pipe stem is sort of crimped near the bottom end,
>> so a vacuum hose cannot pass through properly, or worse, get stuck so it
>> can't be pulled out the same way.
>>
>> I've already purchased a ramp set to get underneath and remove the oil
>> filter, but if I can avoid removing the oil pan drain plug along with
>> having to replace the matching gasket every time, this might be a real
>> time saver. I tried something like it over 30 years ago, but it failed
>> miserably primarily due the fact that the vacuum jug was not rigid enough
>> and ended up collapsing after a short while of pumping.
>>
>> Thanks!

>
>
> Just a thought...
>
> How is a pump/vacuum for <whatever the price is> better than putting the
> car on one jackstand and taking the drain plug out for free? I don't see
> the point in buying a vacuum that you will use once, maybe twice, a year
> when you can take the drain plug out for free.
>
>
>
>
>


Beside avoiding crawling on the floor I can see another point:
Eventually the drain plug thread wears out.
(Luckily it's normally the plug that wears out first, so you can buy a new
plug).
I used to use a 12V siphon pump on my 2000 Corolla 4WD, but only at every
other oilchange, between the filter changes.
The siphon pump will not get all out.
If that will work on your car I really do not know.

Asbjørn
from Norway


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Old 25 Mar 2012, 07:23 pm   #5 (permalink)
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"Asbjørn" <asbjust@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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> I used to use a 12V siphon pump on my 2000 Corolla 4WD, but only at every
> other oilchange, between the filter changes.
> The siphon pump will not get all out.
> If that will work on your car I really do not know.
>


Don't you think you are wasting your time and money by doing the siphon
thing and not changing the filter at every change ? Much of the dirt is
laying at the bottom of the oil pan and you have some left in the filter.

I always change the filter at each oil change. YOu only spend a few more
dollars (or whatever the money is) on an expensive item to repair or
replace..




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Old 25 Mar 2012, 09:41 pm   #6 (permalink)
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On 25/03/2012 6:23 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> "Asbjørn"<asbjust@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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>> I used to use a 12V siphon pump on my 2000 Corolla 4WD, but only at every
>> other oilchange, between the filter changes.
>> The siphon pump will not get all out.
>> If that will work on your car I really do not know.
>>

>
> Don't you think you are wasting your time and money by doing the siphon
> thing and not changing the filter at every change ? Much of the dirt is
> laying at the bottom of the oil pan and you have some left in the filter.
>
> I always change the filter at each oil change. YOu only spend a few more
> dollars (or whatever the money is) on an expensive item to repair or
> replace..
>
>
>
>

I understand that Mercedes dealers are using a siphon method for oil
changes:


http://www.oilchangesystems.com/mercedes-benz-dealers/


I rarely drive my car anymore, maybe 3000 km a year, and the only reason
I change my oil once a year is due to cold weather moisture
contamination to the oil during the winter months. Any sediment that
may accumulate at the bottom of the oil pan would be an insignificant
issue for my application.

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Old 26 Mar 2012, 10:12 am   #7 (permalink)
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"Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "homepc" <wiebe008@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:jknf71$4r5$1@dont-email.me...
>> Hello
>>
>> Has anyone tried out an oil change pump for a 2007 Corolla CE?
>>
>> http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/coroll...tyle=100773491
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.princessauto.com/pal/prod...luid-Extractor
>>
>>
>>
>> Just wanted to know if there would be a problem fitting the plastic hose
>> through to the bottom of the dip stick pipe. I have read that on some
>> vehicles, the dip stick pipe stem is sort of crimped near the bottom end,
>> so a vacuum hose cannot pass through properly, or worse, get stuck so it
>> can't be pulled out the same way.
>>
>> I've already purchased a ramp set to get underneath and remove the oil
>> filter, but if I can avoid removing the oil pan drain plug along with
>> having to replace the matching gasket every time, this might be a real
>> time saver. I tried something like it over 30 years ago, but it failed
>> miserably primarily due the fact that the vacuum jug was not rigid enough
>> and ended up collapsing after a short while of pumping.
>>
>> Thanks!

>
>
> Just a thought...
>
> How is a pump/vacuum for <whatever the price is> better than putting the
> car on one jackstand and taking the drain plug out for free? I don't see
> the point in buying a vacuum that you will use once, maybe twice, a year
> when you can take the drain plug out for free.


I've never used the siphon method for changing engine oil (I have for
transmission fluid), but I had a good freind who created his own rig for
doing this. He showed it to me one time and in an effort to convince me it
worked as well as conventional draining, he removed the drain plug after
siphoning out the oil. Almost nothing came out (about what I usually get
after it seems like I wait forever for all the oil to finally drain out of
the drain hole. Although he did not convert me to the siphoning method, he
convinced me, at least for his car (a 3.8L Buick), that it work about as
well as removing the drain plug. I am not at all worried about the
possibility of crud being left in the bottom of the pan by the siphoning
method. I don't think it is any more likely to be left behind if you siphon
the oil out versus conventional draining, and even if it is, where is it
going? If it hasn't already been caught by the oil filter, then it seems
likely it was stopped by the pick-up screen. Maybe I am lucky, but I've
never had the oil pan off one of my cars where there was any significant
accumulation of "stuff."


My friend's rig consisted of an old helium can (the small sort you can buy
to blow up ballons) and a ball valve. He used an the air compressor driven
vacuum pump (looks like a brick to me, but creates a vaccum by passing a
stream of air through a venturi) to pull a vacuum on the can. After he had
pulled the vaccum on the can, he closed the valve and attached a hose to the
can. He would insert the hose down the dipstick tube and open the valve.
Volia, the oil would be sucked out of the oil pan. When he heard a lot of
gurgling, he's shut off the valve. The can could hold enough oil for several
changes before he would need to empty the oil and recharge the vacuum.

I have a different sort of rig I use for sucking out transmission fluid. It
is sort of like a bicycle pump attached to a big plastic can. You can use it
to create a vacuum to pull fluid out of a transmission, or reverse the flow
to pump it back in. The plastic can is graduated so you can see how much
fluid you pulled out. Even if you are going to drop the transmission pan to
change the screen, it is nice to remove the fluid first so you don't ahve a
mess when you drop the pan. This rig would certainly work for sucking out
engine oil, but to me it is at least as easy to just pull the drain plug.

Ed

Ed
Ed


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Old 26 Mar 2012, 12:11 pm   #8 (permalink)
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"Asbjørn" <asbjust@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:jknsu3$qef$1@dont-email.me...
>>
>> "homepc" <wiebe008@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:jknf71$4r5$1@dont-email.me...
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> Has anyone tried out an oil change pump for a 2007 Corolla CE?
>>>
>>> http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/coroll...tyle=100773491
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.princessauto.com/pal/prod...luid-Extractor
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just wanted to know if there would be a problem fitting the plastic hose
>>> through to the bottom of the dip stick pipe. I have read that on some
>>> vehicles, the dip stick pipe stem is sort of crimped near the bottom
>>> end, so a vacuum hose cannot pass through properly, or worse, get stuck
>>> so it can't be pulled out the same way.
>>>
>>> I've already purchased a ramp set to get underneath and remove the oil
>>> filter, but if I can avoid removing the oil pan drain plug along with
>>> having to replace the matching gasket every time, this might be a real
>>> time saver. I tried something like it over 30 years ago, but it failed
>>> miserably primarily due the fact that the vacuum jug was not rigid
>>> enough and ended up collapsing after a short while of pumping.
>>>
>>> Thanks!

>>
>>
>> Just a thought...
>>
>> How is a pump/vacuum for <whatever the price is> better than putting the
>> car on one jackstand and taking the drain plug out for free? I don't see
>> the point in buying a vacuum that you will use once, maybe twice, a year
>> when you can take the drain plug out for free.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

>
> Beside avoiding crawling on the floor I can see another point:
> Eventually the drain plug thread wears out.
> (Luckily it's normally the plug that wears out first, so you can buy a new
> plug).
> I used to use a 12V siphon pump on my 2000 Corolla 4WD, but only at every
> other oilchange, between the filter changes.
> The siphon pump will not get all out.
> If that will work on your car I really do not know.
>
> Asbjørn
> from Norway
>
>


I'm closing in on 60 years old. My father was a used car dealer when I was a
kid, I worked in a gas station at 16. I have been wrenching on cars since I
was about 10.

I have never ever in my life seen a drain plug thread that was worn out,
except one (that's one out of several dozen) that was put in wrong by some
idiot with a huge wrench and no sense of feel. Worn out threads is a very
remote occurance. Nothing will wear out in the performance of a routine oil
change UNLESS the gorilla at the airport that handles your luggage comes
over to do the oil change. Seriously. And, they sell plug repair kits for
less than $20. If one is reasonably careful they will never have this
problem, and if they are not so careful then for $20 they can fix the
mistake and learn how to be careful from that day forward.

Draining the oil out the bottom of the engine does get all of everything
that needs to be gotten, and it does it every time without question. there
is no substitute for draining the oil.

If you are changing oil in lots of engine and do not have a lift to dedicate
to the job, or a pit to park over, then sucking the oil out might make sense
because as you pump the old oil out you can walk around the shop doing
another task. But for the guy at home changing his own oil, I don't see how
the cost of a pump could possibly pencil out. I own three cars today, two
years ago I had 6 -- my car, wife's car, two kids cars, my truck and a
Jeep -- and I could not justify the cost of pumping the oil as opposed to
draining it out the bottom. I spend plenty of money on my fleet -- I bought
an OBD II Scan Tool for $150 -- and I like having a crap-load of tools, but
I don't see any benefit to owning a pump that sucks the oil out when I can
open a drain plug and get the oil out for free.


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