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Old 27 Mar 2012, 10:21 am   #1 (permalink)
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I was checking around for further ways to avoid removal of the oil drain
plug as opposed to using a dip stick oil siphon. Am considering buying
a Fumoto oil drain valve. This version has a nipple end so I can slip on
a hose and drain the spent motor oil into a jug without any mess.


http://www.fumotocanada.com/Details....D=78&category=


Company says it was granted genuine parts status by Toyota and other
auto manufacturers, whatever that means. Has anyone tried this valve on
their Toyota and encountered problems? Unless there are any horror
stories, I think I'll try it out.


On another note, it's too bad that the oil filter on the Corolla can
only be accessed from below the car. With my old Tercel the filter
could be removed from above. I will be trying out a K&N wrench off oil
canister filter.

http://www.knfilters.com/wrenchoff_oilfilter.htm

I can get this locally at Partsource. The build quality appears
comparable to the Toyota oil filter, and it should be an easy change out
-- hopefully.



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Old 27 Mar 2012, 11:33 am   #2 (permalink)
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"homepc" <wiebe008@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I was checking around for further ways to avoid removal of the oil drain
>plug as opposed to using a dip stick oil siphon. Am considering buying a
>Fumoto oil drain valve. This version has a nipple end so I can slip on a
>hose and drain the spent motor oil into a jug without any mess.
>
>
> http://www.fumotocanada.com/Details....D=78&category=
>
>
> Company says it was granted genuine parts status by Toyota and other auto
> manufacturers, whatever that means. Has anyone tried this valve on their
> Toyota and encountered problems? Unless there are any horror stories, I
> think I'll try it out.
>
>
> On another note, it's too bad that the oil filter on the Corolla can only
> be accessed from below the car. With my old Tercel the filter could be
> removed from above. I will be trying out a K&N wrench off oil canister
> filter.
>
> http://www.knfilters.com/wrenchoff_oilfilter.htm
>
> I can get this locally at Partsource. The build quality appears
> comparable to the Toyota oil filter, and it should be an easy change
> out -- hopefully.


Why not just get the cap end wrench that fits the Toyota filter?

Ed


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Old 27 Mar 2012, 02:49 pm   #3 (permalink)
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C. E. White wrote:
> "homepc" <wiebe008@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:jkslu0$m9l$1@dont-email.me...
>> I was checking around for further ways to avoid removal of the oil drain
>> plug as opposed to using a dip stick oil siphon. Am considering buying a
>> Fumoto oil drain valve. This version has a nipple end so I can slip on a
>> hose and drain the spent motor oil into a jug without any mess.
>>
>>
>> http://www.fumotocanada.com/Details....D=78&category=
>>
>>
>> Company says it was granted genuine parts status by Toyota and other auto
>> manufacturers, whatever that means. Has anyone tried this valve on their
>> Toyota and encountered problems? Unless there are any horror stories, I
>> think I'll try it out.
>>
>>
>> On another note, it's too bad that the oil filter on the Corolla can only
>> be accessed from below the car. With my old Tercel the filter could be
>> removed from above. I will be trying out a K&N wrench off oil canister
>> filter.
>>
>> http://www.knfilters.com/wrenchoff_oilfilter.htm
>>
>> I can get this locally at Partsource. The build quality appears
>> comparable to the Toyota oil filter, and it should be an easy change
>> out -- hopefully.

>
> Why not just get the cap end wrench that fits the Toyota filter?
>
> Ed
>
>


I usually use 18 inch channel locks or a rope with a half hitch, or
whatever it is we learned in boy scouts, through the open end a big box
wrench. But a real filter wrench would be nice. I've looked at those
drain valves and unless you change your oil every week they look like
more trouble than they are worth, hell drive the thing up on the ramps
get a good 6 point socket and drain the oil into a pan.
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Old 27 Mar 2012, 07:43 pm   #4 (permalink)
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In article <jkslu0$m9l$1@dont-email.me>, homepc <wiebe008@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I was checking around for further ways to avoid removal of the oil drain
> plug as opposed to using a dip stick oil siphon. Am considering buying
> a Fumoto oil drain valve. This version has a nipple end so I can slip on
> a hose and drain the spent motor oil into a jug without any mess.


Bad idea.

BAD idea.

The valve could open up at any time, for any number of reasons; if the
drain plug ever opened up, you'd have far more problems than just the
drain plug not being there all of the sudden.

Plus, I guarantee you will face the need to remove the drain plug at
some point--but your refusal to use it will have caused a total
inability to remove the drain plug.

You must crawl under the car to get to the oil filter; what is with your
anal retentive need never to remove the drain plug?
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Old 27 Mar 2012, 08:09 pm   #5 (permalink)
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On 27/03/2012 7:43 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article<jkslu0$m9l$1@dont-email.me>, homepc<wiebe008@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I was checking around for further ways to avoid removal of the oil drain
>> plug as opposed to using a dip stick oil siphon. Am considering buying
>> a Fumoto oil drain valve. This version has a nipple end so I can slip on
>> a hose and drain the spent motor oil into a jug without any mess.

>
> Bad idea.
>
> BAD idea.
>
> The valve could open up at any time, for any number of reasons; if the
> drain plug ever opened up, you'd have far more problems than just the
> drain plug not being there all of the sudden.
>
> Plus, I guarantee you will face the need to remove the drain plug at
> some point--but your refusal to use it will have caused a total
> inability to remove the drain plug.
>
> You must crawl under the car to get to the oil filter; what is with your
> anal retentive need never to remove the drain plug?


I appreciate your responses, but have any of you ever tried this valve
or know of someone who has actually experienced a failure with this
product? I'm not trying to be a shill, just would like a straight
forward answer as opposed to useless criticism.

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Old 27 Mar 2012, 10:47 pm   #6 (permalink)
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On 3/27/2012 8:09 PM, homepc wrote:
> On 27/03/2012 7:43 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>> In article<jkslu0$m9l$1@dont-email.me>, homepc<wiebe008@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I was checking around for further ways to avoid removal of the oil drain
>>> plug as opposed to using a dip stick oil siphon. Am considering buying
>>> a Fumoto oil drain valve. This version has a nipple end so I can slip on
>>> a hose and drain the spent motor oil into a jug without any mess.

>>
>> Bad idea.
>>
>> BAD idea.
>>
>> The valve could open up at any time, for any number of reasons; if the
>> drain plug ever opened up, you'd have far more problems than just the
>> drain plug not being there all of the sudden.
>>
>> Plus, I guarantee you will face the need to remove the drain plug at
>> some point--but your refusal to use it will have caused a total
>> inability to remove the drain plug.
>>
>> You must crawl under the car to get to the oil filter; what is with your
>> anal retentive need never to remove the drain plug?

>
> I appreciate your responses, but have any of you ever tried this valve
> or know of someone who has actually experienced a failure with this
> product? I'm not trying to be a shill, just would like a straight
> forward answer as opposed to useless criticism.
>


I know of no problems with them, but I don't use them because
I often drive on rough, partially rocky, back roads at times and
I don't want anything sticking out of the oil pan that could be
hit and damaged. The chances of that happening with the regular
plug are almost nil.
Myself, I find changing the oil on the Corolla as pretty easy
for a small car. Certainly easier than the Honda Accord I had.
It sat low, and had to be driven up on ramps.
The Corolla, I don't even jack up, or anything. I can reach
everything just crawling under the front of the car.
I shove the plastic pan under the drain area, unscrew the plug,
let it drain, and then move the pan over a tad to be under
the filter and do it. When I'm done draining, fill it back up
and check for leaks..
For a little car, it could be much, much worse, trust me.. :|
No way I could do that Honda without jacking it up. Too low.
I've never had to change an oil drain plug gasket in all the years
I've changed oil. And I've changed the oil on a lot of cars..
I did it for a living when I was a young sprout working at
gas stations.
Just don't over torque em when you replace, and you won't have
that problem.
I've never had to change one on any car I've ever owned.
They just tell you to do that so they can sell the part.. :/
If it started leaking, *then* I'll change the gasket.
But I've never had one leak, even after zillions of oil
changes.




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Old 28 Mar 2012, 02:56 am   #7 (permalink)
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In article <jku1ln$fd1$1@dont-email.me>, NM5K <none@invalid.net> wrote:

> I've never had to change an oil drain plug gasket in all the years
> I've changed oil.


You have, you simply haven't realized it all those years.

If you're not replacing the five cent washer, you're doing it wrong.
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Old 28 Mar 2012, 03:19 am   #8 (permalink)
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On 3/28/2012 2:56 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article<jku1ln$fd1$1@dont-email.me>, NM5K<none@invalid.net> wrote:
>
>> I've never had to change an oil drain plug gasket in all the years
>> I've changed oil.

>
> You have, you simply haven't realized it all those years.


No I haven't. I've never had to replace one of those gaskets.
I've never bought one of those gaskets. Ever.
And there is nothing wrong with my memory.

>
> If you're not replacing the five cent washer, you're doing it wrong.


Nope. If it doesn't leak, there has been nothing done wrong.
And I've *never* had one start leaking. Ever. Nada. Zilch..
I could care less what the manuals say I should do..
In the real world, I've never had one go bad and start leaking.
On any car I've ever owned. Period.
If someone constantly has to change that gasket due to leaks,
*they* are the ones doing something wrong. :/









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Old 28 Mar 2012, 07:54 am   #9 (permalink)
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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
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> In article <jku1ln$fd1$1@dont-email.me>, NM5K <none@invalid.net> wrote:
>
>> I've never had to change an oil drain plug gasket in all the years
>> I've changed oil.

>
> You have, you simply haven't realized it all those years.
>
> If you're not replacing the five cent washer, you're doing it wrong.


If only Toyota sold them for five cents. The ones on the RAV4's are
elaborate copper creations that are not just plain washers. When you tighten
the drain plug they are crushed. I bought a bag of them, but eventualyl ran
out. So I just didn't replace it for an oil change. Amazingly there was no
detectable difference, no oil leak, nothing. So for the a couple of changes
I reused the same flattened copper washer with no problems. I felt guilt
about this, so I made the mistake of ordering some aftermarket washers from
Rock Auto. They are thicker aluminum things. I don't think they are as good
as the flattened Toyota copper washer. Eventually I'll get by the Toyota
dealer and get another bag of the correct washers. On the other hand, I have
a couple of Fords that have a more elaborate drain plug, but no extra
washers. They have never leaked a drop (even after 150,000 miles). I do not
understand why Toyota finds it necessary to use copper washers at all. They
seem an unnecessary nuisance.



Ed


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Old 28 Mar 2012, 09:06 am   #10 (permalink)
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On 3/27/2012 8:21 AM, homepc wrote:

> On another note, it's too bad that the oil filter on the Corolla can
> only be accessed from below the car. With my old Tercel the filter could
> be removed from above. I will be trying out a K&N wrench off oil
> canister filter.
>
> http://www.knfilters.com/wrenchoff_oilfilter.htm
>
> I can get this locally at Partsource. The build quality appears
> comparable to the Toyota oil filter, and it should be an easy change out
> -- hopefully.


Given the issues with K&N air filters, I'd be wary of their oil filters.

Just get an Assenmacher oil filter wrench and use Toyota filters. Toyota
filters don't work well with other cap type oil filter wrenches, but the
Assenmacher TOY 640 is what Toyota uses and they fit perfectly. The
Toyota dealers will usually sell this because it's also the size that
opens the canister oil filter housings on some models.
<http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0015PK3AG>. It's expensive, but it's money
well spent. The generic oil filter wrenches are not 640mm, they are
650mm, and it makes a big difference on genuine Toyota OEM filters. I
used to use a strap wrench prior to getting the 640mm cap wrench.


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