Re: Toyota Corolla 2007 CE Oil Change Pump Question

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Old 09 Apr 2012, 07:19 pm   #1 (permalink)
Michael Dobony
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 09:11:58 -0700, Jeff Strickland wrote:

> "Asbjørn" <asbjust@frisurf.no> wrote in message
> news:jko75e$lei$1@dont-email.me...
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>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>> "homepc" <wiebe008@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:jknf71$4r5$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> Hello
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone tried out an oil change pump for a 2007 Corolla CE?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/coroll...tyle=100773491
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.princessauto.com/pal/prod...luid-Extractor
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>>>> Just wanted to know if there would be a problem fitting the plastic hose
>>>> through to the bottom of the dip stick pipe. I have read that on some
>>>> vehicles, the dip stick pipe stem is sort of crimped near the bottom
>>>> end, so a vacuum hose cannot pass through properly, or worse, get stuck
>>>> so it can't be pulled out the same way.
>>>>
>>>> I've already purchased a ramp set to get underneath and remove the oil
>>>> filter, but if I can avoid removing the oil pan drain plug along with
>>>> having to replace the matching gasket every time, this might be a real
>>>> time saver. I tried something like it over 30 years ago, but it failed
>>>> miserably primarily due the fact that the vacuum jug was not rigid
>>>> enough and ended up collapsing after a short while of pumping.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>> Just a thought...
>>>
>>> How is a pump/vacuum for <whatever the price is> better than putting the
>>> car on one jackstand and taking the drain plug out for free? I don't see
>>> the point in buying a vacuum that you will use once, maybe twice, a year
>>> when you can take the drain plug out for free.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>> Beside avoiding crawling on the floor I can see another point:
>> Eventually the drain plug thread wears out.
>> (Luckily it's normally the plug that wears out first, so you can buy a new
>> plug).
>> I used to use a 12V siphon pump on my 2000 Corolla 4WD, but only at every
>> other oilchange, between the filter changes.
>> The siphon pump will not get all out.
>> If that will work on your car I really do not know.
>>
>> Asbjørn
>> from Norway
>>
>>

>
> I'm closing in on 60 years old. My father was a used car dealer when I was a
> kid, I worked in a gas station at 16. I have been wrenching on cars since I
> was about 10.
>
> I have never ever in my life seen a drain plug thread that was worn out,
> except one (that's one out of several dozen) that was put in wrong by some
> idiot with a huge wrench and no sense of feel. Worn out threads is a very
> remote occurance. Nothing will wear out in the performance of a routine oil
> change UNLESS the gorilla at the airport that handles your luggage comes
> over to do the oil change. Seriously. And, they sell plug repair kits for
> less than $20. If one is reasonably careful they will never have this
> problem, and if they are not so careful then for $20 they can fix the
> mistake and learn how to be careful from that day forward.
>


I never let the "pros" do it anymore. I've had problems with overfilling,
crossthreading the drain plug, and tightening the filter down metal to
metal, necessitating shredding the filter to get it off. That about covers
half of the times I had the "pros" do it. Nope, not for me anymore.

> Draining the oil out the bottom of the engine does get all of everything
> that needs to be gotten, and it does it every time without question. there
> is no substitute for draining the oil.
>
> If you are changing oil in lots of engine and do not have a lift to dedicate
> to the job, or a pit to park over, then sucking the oil out might make sense
> because as you pump the old oil out you can walk around the shop doing
> another task. But for the guy at home changing his own oil, I don't see how
> the cost of a pump could possibly pencil out. I own three cars today, two
> years ago I had 6 -- my car, wife's car, two kids cars, my truck and a
> Jeep -- and I could not justify the cost of pumping the oil as opposed to
> draining it out the bottom. I spend plenty of money on my fleet -- I bought
> an OBD II Scan Tool for $150 -- and I like having a crap-load of tools, but
> I don't see any benefit to owning a pump that sucks the oil out when I can
> open a drain plug and get the oil out for free.


Moisture issues are all the more reason to drain rather than siphon. Let
that thing drip out for about a half hour and get all that moisture
contaminated oil out.
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Old 10 Apr 2012, 05:29 am   #2 (permalink)
Elmo P. Shagnasty
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In article <1hk1q2fppi93n.6frus4n2w5ys$.dlg@40tude.net>,
Michael Dobony <survey@stopassaultnow.net> wrote:

> I never let the "pros" do it anymore. I've had problems with overfilling,
> crossthreading the drain plug, and tightening the filter down metal to
> metal, necessitating shredding the filter to get it off. That about covers
> half of the times I had the "pros" do it. Nope, not for me anymore.


Then you're not actually taking it to professionals.

Trying to save a buck, eh? It's the cheapest man who spends the most.

The guy who handles my Honda, it's like watching an artist at work.

When you find a true pro (as opposed to a hack), you stick with him.
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Old 10 Apr 2012, 08:58 am   #3 (permalink)
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On 4/10/2012 5:29 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article<1hk1q2fppi93n.6frus4n2w5ys$.dlg@40tude.net >,
> Michael Dobony<survey@stopassaultnow.net> wrote:
>
>> I never let the "pros" do it anymore. I've had problems with overfilling,
>> crossthreading the drain plug, and tightening the filter down metal to
>> metal, necessitating shredding the filter to get it off. That about covers
>> half of the times I had the "pros" do it. Nope, not for me anymore.

>
> Then you're not actually taking it to professionals.
>
> Trying to save a buck, eh? It's the cheapest man who spends the most.
>
> The guy who handles my Honda, it's like watching an artist at work.
>
> When you find a true pro (as opposed to a hack), you stick with him.


The problem is, not too many "pro's" change oil.. They will
usually be working on something that makes a bit more money.
It will be some flunky that worked at Taco Bell two weeks ago
that ends up doing it at many of the oil change joints.

Doesn't sound he's all that worried about the money..
He's tired of the hacks boogering up his car..
Which I don't really blame him.. I don't even like the dealers
buoys messing with mine unless I can watch them the whole time..
I've got an ECU recall that I need to deal with, but I dread
it like a root canal, and keep putting it off, being I have
no problem so far.

I've been using the same pro to change my oil since I started
driving. Never any problems, and all I pay is oil and filter.
Never any labor charge. He always warms up the engine to get
the dirt better suspended in the oil, and to also thin the oil
to drain better. He always lets it drip for a long time, as to
get as much dirt out of the engine as possible.
He would never think of changing the oil, and not also changing
the filter.
He always checks to make sure the old gasket didn't stick to the
flange, before installing the new one.
He never cross threads the plug, only tightly hand tightens the
filter, which always has the gasket lubed with some oil before
applying.
He always checks for leaks under the car after it's running.
Yep.. I think I'm gonna stick with myself..








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Old 10 Apr 2012, 09:13 am   #4 (permalink)
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In article <jm1eaj$ul0$1@dont-email.me>, NM5K <none@invalid.net> wrote:

> > When you find a true pro (as opposed to a hack), you stick with him.

>
> The problem is, not too many "pro's" change oil..


Bulloney.

I request my guy. At my Honda dealer, only this one guy touches my van.
Ever. For anything and everything.

And I've watched him work. He'll have three cars going at once, and
he'll move between them. He'll let my car's oil drain for several
minutes while he finishes a task on another car, then he'll go back and
replace the drain plug.

And every time he uses a fresh crush washer, and every time he uses a
torque wrench.

He's been in the business 30 years or more, and even a simple oil change
gets his full attention and expertise.

When you find a true pro, you stick with him. And you don't complain
about "he costs too much"--because as we all know, it's the cheapest man
who spends the most.
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Old 10 Apr 2012, 09:33 am   #5 (permalink)
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On 4/10/2012 9:13 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article<jm1eaj$ul0$1@dont-email.me>, NM5K<none@invalid.net> wrote:
>
>>> When you find a true pro (as opposed to a hack), you stick with him.

>>
>> The problem is, not too many "pro's" change oil..

>
> Bulloney.
>
> I request my guy. At my Honda dealer, only this one guy touches my van.
> Ever. For anything and everything.


I don't trust too many of those weasels at the dealers..
If you have one that's OK, more power to you..
Quite a few of the guys at the closest Yota dealer to me
are likely ex-taco bell employees.. I've had to deal with
them before. It was ugly.. But, that's another story..
And I doubt they are going to let me walk around and try to
decide which one gets to change my oil.
Like I'm really going to be able to tell who is the best,
by looking at them.. :/
The guys that have a clue will probably be working on something
serious.. They'll tell one of the ex-taco bell employees to
change my oil..
I ain't jokin.. I know how they operate..

>
>
> When you find a true pro, you stick with him. And you don't complain
> about "he costs too much"--because as we all know, it's the cheapest man
> who spends the most.


I don't have other people work on my cars. And it has nothing to
do with money. It's knowing everything is done exactly like I want it.
I always do all my own work, no matter what it is..
I trust myself more than most anyone else I know.






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Old 10 Apr 2012, 04:02 pm   #6 (permalink)
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NM5K wrote:
> On 4/10/2012 9:13 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>> In article<jm1eaj$ul0$1@dont-email.me>, NM5K<none@invalid.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> When you find a true pro (as opposed to a hack), you stick with him.
>>>
>>> The problem is, not too many "pro's" change oil..

>>
>> Bulloney.
>>
>> I request my guy. At my Honda dealer, only this one guy touches my van.
>> Ever. For anything and everything.

>
> I don't trust too many of those weasels at the dealers..
> If you have one that's OK, more power to you..
> Quite a few of the guys at the closest Yota dealer to me
> are likely ex-taco bell employees.. I've had to deal with
> them before. It was ugly.. But, that's another story..
> And I doubt they are going to let me walk around and try to
> decide which one gets to change my oil.
> Like I'm really going to be able to tell who is the best,
> by looking at them.. :/
> The guys that have a clue will probably be working on something
> serious.. They'll tell one of the ex-taco bell employees to
> change my oil..
> I ain't jokin.. I know how they operate..
>
>>
>>
>> When you find a true pro, you stick with him. And you don't complain
>> about "he costs too much"--because as we all know, it's the cheapest man
>> who spends the most.

>
> I don't have other people work on my cars. And it has nothing to
> do with money. It's knowing everything is done exactly like I want it.
> I always do all my own work, no matter what it is..
> I trust myself more than most anyone else I know.
>
>
>
>
>
>


I've always changed my own oil, I wait till the weather is nice,
have the stuff on hand. Take my time. Look the car over underneath and
under the hood. It's good exercise, not much but better than nothing.
To each his own.
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