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Old 29 Jun 2012, 12:44 pm   #1 (permalink)
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2000 Sienna LE 175K miles.

I've been having starting problems. Turning the key just makes a
clicking noise from the engine compartment. You have to turn it many
times before the engine finally turns over. This is intermittant, but
it's done it twice today. Usually it fires right up with no problem.

The battery was replaced last year and electrical system checks by
Advance Auto indicate all is well. Is it worth replacing the starter
myself or should I take it to the mechanic?
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Old 29 Jun 2012, 02:28 pm   #2 (permalink)
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On Jun 29, 9:44*am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com>
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> 2000 Sienna LE 175K miles.
>
> I've been having starting problems. *Turning the key just makes a
> clicking noise from the engine compartment. *You have to turn it many
> times before the engine finally turns over. *This is intermittant, but
> it's done it twice today. *Usually it fires right up with no problem.
>
> The battery was replaced last year and electrical system checks by
> Advance Auto indicate all is well. *Is it worth replacing the starter
> myself or should I take it to the mechanic?



Just in case it is the battery, can a friend, co-worker or neighbor
give you a jump start to confirm it's not the battery? Quick and
cheap test.
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Old 29 Jun 2012, 04:57 pm   #3 (permalink)
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"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> 2000 Sienna LE 175K miles.
>
> I've been having starting problems. Turning the key just makes a
> clicking noise from the engine compartment. You have to turn it many
> times before the engine finally turns over. This is intermittant, but
> it's done it twice today. Usually it fires right up with no problem.
>
> The battery was replaced last year and electrical system checks by
> Advance Auto indicate all is well. Is it worth replacing the starter
> myself or should I take it to the mechanic?


If you are sure the battery is good, there may be a bad connection at either
end of the negative and/or positive battery cables,
but in this case when there is a click every time, bad solenoid contacts are
more likely.
The solenoid sits on the starter, and is the remotely operated high current
switch for the starter.
the internal contacts in the solenoid can possibly be filed clean if they
are not too badly worn. If you can get it open...

Asbjørn


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Old 29 Jun 2012, 05:16 pm   #4 (permalink)
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In article <xn0hzx023dfeum003@reader.albasani.net>,
"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

> 2000 Sienna LE 175K miles.
>
> I've been having starting problems. Turning the key just makes a
> clicking noise from the engine compartment. You have to turn it many
> times before the engine finally turns over. This is intermittant, but
> it's done it twice today. Usually it fires right up with no problem.
>
> The battery was replaced last year and electrical system checks by
> Advance Auto indicate all is well. Is it worth replacing the starter
> myself or should I take it to the mechanic?


Sounds like a bad starter solenoid which I believe is located on the
starter. It's a big contact relay to carry the large current the
starter needs to operate. There's a smaller relay, on the firewall or
someplace in the engine compartment that clicks and energizes the main
solenoid which carries the bulk of current to the starter motor. Good
luck.
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Old 30 Jun 2012, 02:51 pm   #5 (permalink)
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badgolferman wrote:

>2000 Sienna LE 175K miles.
>
>I've been having starting problems. Turning the key just makes a
>clicking noise from the engine compartment. You have to turn it many
>times before the engine finally turns over. This is intermittant, but
>it's done it twice today. Usually it fires right up with no problem.
>
>The battery was replaced last year and electrical system checks by
>Advance Auto indicate all is well. Is it worth replacing the starter
>myself or should I take it to the mechanic?


I took the starter off and had it checked at Advance Auto. It passed
the tests on the machine. The thing spun up immediately and the shaft
extended then retracted.

I brought it back home and reinstalled it then took the van back there
to have the electrical system checked. Everything passes nicely.

During removal of the starter I took the round part off that has the
two long screws before I realized there was still the rest of the
starter attached to the engine. I then took that part off and put the
whole assembly back together on the bench. Is it possible I shook
something loose or perhaps had a bad connection or wire going bad?
Right now it's working fine.
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Old 30 Jun 2012, 03:12 pm   #6 (permalink)
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In article <xn0hzyhyed0wdt0000@reader.albasani.net>,
"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

> badgolferman wrote:
>
> >2000 Sienna LE 175K miles.
> >
> >I've been having starting problems. Turning the key just makes a
> >clicking noise from the engine compartment. You have to turn it many
> >times before the engine finally turns over. This is intermittant, but
> >it's done it twice today. Usually it fires right up with no problem.
> >
> >The battery was replaced last year and electrical system checks by
> >Advance Auto indicate all is well. Is it worth replacing the starter
> >myself or should I take it to the mechanic?

>
> I took the starter off and had it checked at Advance Auto. It passed
> the tests on the machine. The thing spun up immediately and the shaft
> extended then retracted.
>
> I brought it back home and reinstalled it then took the van back there
> to have the electrical system checked. Everything passes nicely.
>
> During removal of the starter I took the round part off that has the
> two long screws before I realized there was still the rest of the
> starter attached to the engine. I then took that part off and put the
> whole assembly back together on the bench. Is it possible I shook
> something loose or perhaps had a bad connection or wire going bad?
> Right now it's working fine.


Maybe jiggled something to cause it to work for a while, but don't be
surprised if it acts up again, hopefully not in some mall parking ramp.
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Old 30 Jun 2012, 11:55 pm   #7 (permalink)
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On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:44:25 +0000, badgolferman wrote:

> 2000 Sienna LE 175K miles.
>
> I've been having starting problems. Turning the key just makes a
> clicking noise from the engine compartment. You have to turn it many
> times before the engine finally turns over. This is intermittant, but
> it's done it twice today. Usually it fires right up with no problem.
>
> The battery was replaced last year and electrical system checks by
> Advance Auto indicate all is well. Is it worth replacing the starter
> myself or should I take it to the mechanic?



BGM, how long have you been here?

Remember the good old days of Ray O.?

This is a classic example of worn starter contacts. These things wear down
after a few years (or a couple hundred thousand miles...)

Chances are by removing the starter and replacing it you reseated the
contacts and they may give you another 30,000 more miles. They may fail
again next week.

They cost something like $8 at Toyota. Or they used to...
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Old 01 Jul 2012, 07:56 am   #8 (permalink)
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hachiroku wrote:

>On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:44:25 +0000, badgolferman wrote:
>
>> 2000 Sienna LE 175K miles.
>>
>> I've been having starting problems. Turning the key just makes a
>> clicking noise from the engine compartment. You have to turn it
>>many times before the engine finally turns over. This is
>>intermittant, but it's done it twice today. Usually it fires
>>right up with no problem.
>> The battery was replaced last year and electrical system checks by
>> Advance Auto indicate all is well. Is it worth replacing the
>>starter myself or should I take it to the mechanic?

>
>
>BGM, how long have you been here?


I don't know for sure. 8-9 years maybe. I've never left, just don't
participate much.

>Remember the good old days of Ray O.?


Yes, I'm surprised he lasted that long in this madhouse. By the way, I
still keep in contact with Scott, Learning Richard, tak, dbu,
Truckdude, tegger, and some other fine fellows from this group through
my joke list. Send me a message if you want to get those daily jokes I
used to post to the group.

>This is a classic example of worn starter contacts. These things wear
>down after a few years (or a couple hundred thousand miles...)
>
>Chances are by removing the starter and replacing it you reseated the
>contacts and they may give you another 30,000 more miles. They may
>fail again next week.
>
>They cost something like $8 at Toyota. Or they used to...


Are these contacts where the outside wires connect to or internal ones?
How would I access the internal ones if I was so inclined? I did
remove the motor part from the starter assembly and shake a bit of
black shit out of there before I put it back together.
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Old 01 Jul 2012, 09:04 am   #9 (permalink)
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"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> badgolferman wrote:
>
>>2000 Sienna LE 175K miles.
>>
>>I've been having starting problems. Turning the key just makes a
>>clicking noise from the engine compartment. You have to turn it many
>>times before the engine finally turns over. This is intermittant, but
>>it's done it twice today. Usually it fires right up with no problem.
>>
>>The battery was replaced last year and electrical system checks by
>>Advance Auto indicate all is well. Is it worth replacing the starter
>>myself or should I take it to the mechanic?

>
> I took the starter off and had it checked at Advance Auto. It passed
> the tests on the machine. The thing spun up immediately and the shaft
> extended then retracted.
>
> I brought it back home and reinstalled it then took the van back there
> to have the electrical system checked. Everything passes nicely.
>
> During removal of the starter I took the round part off that has the
> two long screws before I realized there was still the rest of the
> starter attached to the engine. I then took that part off and put the
> whole assembly back together on the bench. Is it possible I shook
> something loose or perhaps had a bad connection or wire going bad?
> Right now it's working fine.


Then you failed to take the most likely source of error, the solenoid (the
smaller box), to the test.
You may have fixed a bad connection or stirred something but that may not be
a lasting cure.
The contacts inside the solenoid should be inspected.
Good luck.

Asbjørn


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Old 01 Jul 2012, 12:49 pm   #10 (permalink)
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In article <xn0i02epve1ihlo000@reader.albasani.net>,
"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

> hachiroku wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:44:25 +0000, badgolferman wrote:
> >
> >> 2000 Sienna LE 175K miles.
> >>
> >> I've been having starting problems. Turning the key just makes a
> >> clicking noise from the engine compartment. You have to turn it
> >>many times before the engine finally turns over. This is
> >>intermittant, but it's done it twice today. Usually it fires
> >>right up with no problem.
> >> The battery was replaced last year and electrical system checks by
> >> Advance Auto indicate all is well. Is it worth replacing the
> >>starter myself or should I take it to the mechanic?

> >
> >
> >BGM, how long have you been here?

>
> I don't know for sure. 8-9 years maybe. I've never left, just don't
> participate much.
>
> >Remember the good old days of Ray O.?

>
> Yes, I'm surprised he lasted that long in this madhouse. By the way, I
> still keep in contact with Scott, Learning Richard, tak, dbu,
> Truckdude, tegger, and some other fine fellows from this group through
> my joke list. Send me a message if you want to get those daily jokes I
> used to post to the group.
>
> >This is a classic example of worn starter contacts. These things wear
> >down after a few years (or a couple hundred thousand miles...)
> >
> >Chances are by removing the starter and replacing it you reseated the
> >contacts and they may give you another 30,000 more miles. They may
> >fail again next week.
> >
> >They cost something like $8 at Toyota. Or they used to...

>
> Are these contacts where the outside wires connect to or internal ones?
> How would I access the internal ones if I was so inclined? I did
> remove the motor part from the starter assembly and shake a bit of
> black shit out of there before I put it back together.


The contacts are about the size of a nickel to carry the high starting
current. The small clicking you hear when you tried to start it was
most likely the starter relay, maybe on the firewall. It energizes the
starter solenoid which also engages the clutch and makes contacts for
the high battery current to make the starter turn over the engine, a lot
of current needed for that job. I can send you some pictures of a
starter that I removed and took apart if you like.
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