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Old 18 Feb 2013, 05:41 pm   #1 (permalink)
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2004 Toyota Camry XLE 4 cyl 97K miles

The dealer says I need new plugs. The maintenance manual is ambiguous,
in some places implying every 30K, 60K, 120K miles. Called another
dealer and they said iridium plugs should go 110K miles.

The manual lists Denso SK20R11 and NGK IFR6A11. I can find the Densos
online for $8-9 but not the NGKs. There are other model NGKs for the
car listed for $7 at parts stores though. Will it matter if I get the
other model NGK plugs?

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Old 18 Feb 2013, 06:40 pm   #2 (permalink)
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I think my service manual says replace mine
[2003 Avalon, 37,000 miles]

i haven't done the 30,000 mile service yet

macr
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Old 18 Feb 2013, 07:01 pm   #3 (permalink)
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"marco" <21blackswan@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I think my service manual says replace mine
> [2003 Avalon, 37,000 miles]
>
> i haven't done the 30,000 mile service yet
>
> macr


Are they easy to get to? Just pull the old ones out and buy the same kind.
That is what I do. Replace them before a smog check. Nevermind the
mileage. If you are replacing them yourself, your cost is minimal.

Now I have a V-6 Highlander and I cannot get to half of them. I will
figure that out someday....

Vito


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Old 18 Feb 2013, 07:54 pm   #4 (permalink)
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"uncle_vito" <uncle_vito2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Are they easy to get to? Just pull the old ones out and buy the same
> kind. That is what I do. Replace them before a smog check. Nevermind
> the mileage. If you are replacing them yourself, your cost is minimal.


The problem is he can not find the same kind. I did a quick search and the
origional seem to be obsolete.

However it is only a few bucks more for one over the other.



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Old 18 Feb 2013, 09:28 pm   #5 (permalink)
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marco wrote:

>I think my service manual says replace mine
>[2003 Avalon, 37,000 miles]
>
>i haven't done the 30,000 mile service yet
>
>macr


That's ludicrous! Nobody changes plugs at 30K miles, especially
iridium plugs.

However I know what you are saying because my maintenance manual says
something like that as well but if you read the fine print it says
that's required for the Emissions Control Warranty.
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Old 18 Feb 2013, 11:36 pm   #6 (permalink)
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"Ralph Mowery" <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> "uncle_vito" <uncle_vito2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Are they easy to get to? Just pull the old ones out and buy the same
>> kind. That is what I do. Replace them before a smog check. Nevermind
>> the mileage. If you are replacing them yourself, your cost is minimal.

>
> The problem is he can not find the same kind. I did a quick search and
> the origional seem to be obsolete.
>
> However it is only a few bucks more for one over the other.
>
>
>


Thanks for the clarification. But he is going from the car manual.
Oftentimes the factory could put in a different plug based on emissions,
altitude, etc. He may luck out and the model of plug actually in the car
is different than that mentioned in the handbook and may be in stock. In
fact, due to appication variations, the plug type and gap may be more
accurately described on a sticker under the hood.


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Old 19 Feb 2013, 12:41 pm   #7 (permalink)
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"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> 2004 Toyota Camry XLE 4 cyl 97K miles
>
> The dealer says I need new plugs. The maintenance manual is ambiguous,
> in some places implying every 30K, 60K, 120K miles. Called another
> dealer and they said iridium plugs should go 110K miles.
>
> The manual lists Denso SK20R11 and NGK IFR6A11. I can find the Densos
> online for $8-9 but not the NGKs. There are other model NGKs for the
> car listed for $7 at parts stores though. Will it matter if I get the
> other model NGK plugs?
>



It CAN matter if you get the other model plug.

I once owned a brand new 1985 Chevy Celebrity Eurosport -- the Eurosport was
a trim package that included a "better" motor and some whistles and bells.
Whatever, the car was a pile of crap that I regret to this day. In any case,
a couple of years pass and I decide to change the spark plugs. That's when
the trouble started.

The car was new enough that the parts catalogs had not caught up with it
yet. I resisted buying parts at the dealership and went instead to the local
parts store down the street. I got new plugs that had all of the same
letters, except that a C was missing in the middle. "No big deal," the guy
said, "these are right." Wrong. The car barely was able to get out of the
driveway. I thought I must have broken some plug wires so I bought a new
set. No joy. Turns out, the "better" engine was better because of software
and spark plugs. Basically, tuning was the only difference. The missing C
meant that the plugs were the hinh energy type, or something like that, and
without that C, tuning went into the shithole.

Bottom line, be very carefull with your plugs.

Having said that, rolling up on 100k is about the right time to be
considering new plugs. Do not be in a rush to replace them if you cannot
find the right ones.


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Old 19 Feb 2013, 04:26 pm   #8 (permalink)
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On Monday, February 18, 2013 6:28:35 PM UTC-8, badgolferman wrote:
> marco wrote:
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> >I think my service manual says replace mine

>
> >[2003 Avalon, 37,000 miles]

>
> >

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> >i haven't done the 30,000 mile service yet

>
> >

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> >macr

>
>
>
> That's ludicrous! Nobody changes plugs at 30K miles, especially
>
> iridium plugs.
>
>
>
> However I know what you are saying because my maintenance manual says
>
> something like that as well but if you read the fine print it says
>
> that's required for the Emissions Control Warranty.


thanks,
i'll have to do some research
time shouldn't be a factor, for plugs[?]

marc
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Old 19 Feb 2013, 05:27 pm   #9 (permalink)
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"marco" <21blackswan@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Monday, February 18, 2013 6:28:35 PM UTC-8, badgolferman wrote:
>> marco wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >I think my service manual says replace mine

>>
>> >[2003 Avalon, 37,000 miles]

>>
>> >

>>
>> >i haven't done the 30,000 mile service yet

>>
>> >

>>
>> >macr

>>
>>
>>
>> That's ludicrous! Nobody changes plugs at 30K miles, especially
>>
>> iridium plugs.
>>
>>
>>
>> However I know what you are saying because my maintenance manual says
>>
>> something like that as well but if you read the fine print it says
>>
>> that's required for the Emissions Control Warranty.

>
> thanks,
> i'll have to do some research
> time shouldn't be a factor, for plugs[?]
>
> marc



You don't need plugs for 70,000 miles, or so.





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Old 20 Feb 2013, 07:23 am   #10 (permalink)
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"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> 2004 Toyota Camry XLE 4 cyl 97K miles
>
> The dealer says I need new plugs. The maintenance manual is ambiguous,
> in some places implying every 30K, 60K, 120K miles. Called another
> dealer and they said iridium plugs should go 110K miles.
>
> The manual lists Denso SK20R11 and NGK IFR6A11. I can find the Densos
> online for $8-9 but not the NGKs. There are other model NGKs for the
> car listed for $7 at parts stores though. Will it matter if I get the
> other model NGK plugs?
>


Hi,

Below is the Denso site to check out the plugs. From my own experience I
change plugs probably sooner than later just for trying to maintain the best
efficiency of the vehicle. I changed plugs on our 2002 Camry LE at 95K and
noticed a little better difference.
Many car companies say you can run your car between 5K - 7.5K before
changing oil, but many owners prefer to change conventional oil between 3K -
4K miles if they're using their vehicle in an urban environment.



http://www.densoproducts.com/categor...Fckx4AodrU4ArQ

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