Is P2238 & P0031 an easy fix on a 2005 Camry XLE V6?

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Old 16 Feb 2014, 08:24 pm   #1 (permalink)
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Default Is P2238 & P0031 an easy fix on a 2005 Camry XLE V6?

So my wife's 2005 Camry XLE V6 (67,000 miles) had the check engine
light come on and now her "Trac Off" light is on. I had the codes
scanned and it turned up P2238 and P0031. Apparently P2238 is noted in
TSB EG037-4 and is a known issue with a faulty Air / Fuel O2 sensor at
Bank 1 Sensor 1 location. Has anyone replaced this part? Apparently
it's just behind the manifold on the drivers side? P0031 is supposed
to be the O2 sensor just in front of cat. converter. Dealership quote
me $495 which sounded like a lot just for an couple O2 sensors. Anyone
out there have any tips or info?
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Old 16 Feb 2014, 11:47 pm   #2 (permalink)
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"Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP)" <.@.> wrote in message
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> So my wife's 2005 Camry XLE V6 (67,000 miles) had the check
> engine
> light come on and now her "Trac Off" light is on. I had the codes
> scanned and it turned up P2238 and P0031. Apparently P2238 is
> noted in
> TSB EG037-4 and is a known issue with a faulty Air / Fuel O2
> sensor at
> Bank 1 Sensor 1 location. Has anyone replaced this part?
> Apparently
> it's just behind the manifold on the drivers side? P0031 is
> supposed
> to be the O2 sensor just in front of cat. converter. Dealership
> quote
> me $495 which sounded like a lot just for an couple O2 sensors.
> Anyone
> out there have any tips or info?


My check engine code Pwhatever was defined as something wrong with
the same sensor--Bank 1 Sensor 1--on my 3 litre 6 cyl. 1999 Camry.
No other symptoms--gas mileage seems unaffected, runs smooth,
accelerates okay,
online info says to watch for a very rich mixture which could
result
in poor mileage and/or damage to the cat. converter. I'm in NO
hurry
to spend any money on it as we have NO enviro inspections up here.


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Old 18 Feb 2014, 10:27 pm   #3 (permalink)
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Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
> So my wife's 2005 Camry XLE V6 (67,000 miles) had the check engine
> light come on and now her "Trac Off" light is on. I had the codes
> scanned and it turned up P2238 and P0031. Apparently P2238 is noted in
> TSB EG037-4 and is a known issue with a faulty Air / Fuel O2 sensor at
> Bank 1 Sensor 1 location. Has anyone replaced this part? Apparently
> it's just behind the manifold on the drivers side? P0031 is supposed
> to be the O2 sensor just in front of cat. converter. Dealership quote
> me $495 which sounded like a lot just for an couple O2 sensors. Anyone
> out there have any tips or info?
>


Both those codes are for problems with the SAME Air Fuel sensor. (Bank
1 sensor 1). It's probably a $300 part at the dealer...it's $250 at
Napa. Then add $100 minimum labor to install, and don't forget the $100
minimum to use THEIR scan tool (again?) not your previous information.

so, yep, $500

GW
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Old 19 Feb 2014, 08:18 am   #4 (permalink)
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>Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
>> So my wife's 2005 Camry XLE V6 (67,000 miles) had the check engine
>> light come on and now her "Trac Off" light is on. I had the codes
>> scanned and it turned up P2238 and P0031. Apparently P2238 is noted in
>> TSB EG037-4 and is a known issue with a faulty Air / Fuel O2 sensor at
>> Bank 1 Sensor 1 location. Has anyone replaced this part? Apparently
>> it's just behind the manifold on the drivers side? P0031 is supposed
>> to be the O2 sensor just in front of cat. converter. Dealership quote
>> me $495 which sounded like a lot just for an couple O2 sensors. Anyone
>> out there have any tips or info?
>>

>
>Both those codes are for problems with the SAME Air Fuel sensor. (Bank
>1 sensor 1). It's probably a $300 part at the dealer...it's $250 at
>Napa. Then add $100 minimum labor to install, and don't forget the $100
>minimum to use THEIR scan tool (again?) not your previous information.
>
>so, yep, $500
>
>GW


GW,

Thanks for the info. Should I go OEM or it doesn't matter? I can get
the part around $150 online.
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Old 19 Feb 2014, 12:03 pm   #5 (permalink)
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Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
>> Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
>>> So my wife's 2005 Camry XLE V6 (67,000 miles) had the check engine
>>> light come on and now her "Trac Off" light is on. I had the codes
>>> scanned and it turned up P2238 and P0031. Apparently P2238 is noted in
>>> TSB EG037-4 and is a known issue with a faulty Air / Fuel O2 sensor at
>>> Bank 1 Sensor 1 location. Has anyone replaced this part? Apparently
>>> it's just behind the manifold on the drivers side? P0031 is supposed
>>> to be the O2 sensor just in front of cat. converter. Dealership quote
>>> me $495 which sounded like a lot just for an couple O2 sensors. Anyone
>>> out there have any tips or info?
>>>

>>
>> Both those codes are for problems with the SAME Air Fuel sensor. (Bank
>> 1 sensor 1). It's probably a $300 part at the dealer...it's $250 at
>> Napa. Then add $100 minimum labor to install, and don't forget the $100
>> minimum to use THEIR scan tool (again?) not your previous information.
>>
>> so, yep, $500
>>
>> GW

>
> GW,
>
> Thanks for the info. Should I go OEM or it doesn't matter? I can get
> the part around $150 online.
>


OE is a Denso brand, so I would use that, which can be found....tricky
part is there are several different part # listings so you gotta make
really sure its the right one.

GW
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Old 20 Feb 2014, 08:05 am   #6 (permalink)
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>Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
>>> Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
>>>> So my wife's 2005 Camry XLE V6 (67,000 miles) had the check engine
>>>> light come on and now her "Trac Off" light is on. I had the codes
>>>> scanned and it turned up P2238 and P0031. Apparently P2238 is noted in
>>>> TSB EG037-4 and is a known issue with a faulty Air / Fuel O2 sensor at
>>>> Bank 1 Sensor 1 location. Has anyone replaced this part? Apparently
>>>> it's just behind the manifold on the drivers side? P0031 is supposed
>>>> to be the O2 sensor just in front of cat. converter. Dealership quote
>>>> me $495 which sounded like a lot just for an couple O2 sensors. Anyone
>>>> out there have any tips or info?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Both those codes are for problems with the SAME Air Fuel sensor. (Bank
>>> 1 sensor 1). It's probably a $300 part at the dealer...it's $250 at
>>> Napa. Then add $100 minimum labor to install, and don't forget the $100
>>> minimum to use THEIR scan tool (again?) not your previous information.
>>>
>>> so, yep, $500
>>>
>>> GW

>>
>> GW,
>>
>> Thanks for the info. Should I go OEM or it doesn't matter? I can get
>> the part around $150 online.
>>

>
>OE is a Denso brand, so I would use that, which can be found....tricky
>part is there are several different part # listings so you gotta make
>really sure its the right one.
>
>GW


I got a good tip on the OE part number and what seems a decent
schematic of where the part is located here:
http://www.2carpros.com/questions/to...ror-code-p0031
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Old 20 Feb 2014, 08:07 am   #7 (permalink)
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On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 07:03:17 -1000, Geoff Welsh <GeeDubya@some.rr.com>
wrote:

>Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
>>> Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
>>>> So my wife's 2005 Camry XLE V6 (67,000 miles) had the check engine
>>>> light come on and now her "Trac Off" light is on. I had the codes
>>>> scanned and it turned up P2238 and P0031. Apparently P2238 is noted in
>>>> TSB EG037-4 and is a known issue with a faulty Air / Fuel O2 sensor at
>>>> Bank 1 Sensor 1 location. Has anyone replaced this part? Apparently
>>>> it's just behind the manifold on the drivers side? P0031 is supposed
>>>> to be the O2 sensor just in front of cat. converter. Dealership quote
>>>> me $495 which sounded like a lot just for an couple O2 sensors. Anyone
>>>> out there have any tips or info?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Both those codes are for problems with the SAME Air Fuel sensor. (Bank
>>> 1 sensor 1). It's probably a $300 part at the dealer...it's $250 at
>>> Napa. Then add $100 minimum labor to install, and don't forget the $100
>>> minimum to use THEIR scan tool (again?) not your previous information.
>>>
>>> so, yep, $500
>>>
>>> GW

>>
>> GW,
>>
>> Thanks for the info. Should I go OEM or it doesn't matter? I can get
>> the part around $150 online.
>>

>
>OE is a Denso brand, so I would use that, which can be found....tricky
>part is there are several different part # listings so you gotta make
>really sure its the right one.
>
>GW


I got a good tip on the OE part number and what seems a decent
schematic of where the part is located here:
http://www.2carpros.com/questions/to...ror-code-p0031
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Old 20 Feb 2014, 08:11 am   #8 (permalink)
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On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 07:03:17 -1000, Geoff Welsh <GeeDubya@some.rr.com>
wrote:

>Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
>>> Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
>>>> So my wife's 2005 Camry XLE V6 (67,000 miles) had the check engine
>>>> light come on and now her "Trac Off" light is on. I had the codes
>>>> scanned and it turned up P2238 and P0031. Apparently P2238 is noted in
>>>> TSB EG037-4 and is a known issue with a faulty Air / Fuel O2 sensor at
>>>> Bank 1 Sensor 1 location. Has anyone replaced this part? Apparently
>>>> it's just behind the manifold on the drivers side? P0031 is supposed
>>>> to be the O2 sensor just in front of cat. converter. Dealership quote
>>>> me $495 which sounded like a lot just for an couple O2 sensors. Anyone
>>>> out there have any tips or info?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Both those codes are for problems with the SAME Air Fuel sensor. (Bank
>>> 1 sensor 1). It's probably a $300 part at the dealer...it's $250 at
>>> Napa. Then add $100 minimum labor to install, and don't forget the $100
>>> minimum to use THEIR scan tool (again?) not your previous information.
>>>
>>> so, yep, $500
>>>
>>> GW

>>
>> GW,
>>
>> Thanks for the info. Should I go OEM or it doesn't matter? I can get
>> the part around $150 online.
>>

>
>OE is a Denso brand, so I would use that, which can be found....tricky
>part is there are several different part # listings so you gotta make
>really sure its the right one.
>
>GW


I got a good tip on the OE part number and what seems a decent
schematic of where the part is located here:
http://www.2carpros.com/questions/to...ror-code-p0031
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Old 20 Feb 2014, 01:30 pm   #9 (permalink)
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"Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP)" <.@.> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 07:03:17 -1000, Geoff Welsh <GeeDubya@some.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
>>>> Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
>>>>> So my wife's 2005 Camry XLE V6 (67,000 miles) had the check engine
>>>>> light come on and now her "Trac Off" light is on. I had the codes
>>>>> scanned and it turned up P2238 and P0031. Apparently P2238 is noted in
>>>>> TSB EG037-4 and is a known issue with a faulty Air / Fuel O2 sensor at
>>>>> Bank 1 Sensor 1 location. Has anyone replaced this part? Apparently
>>>>> it's just behind the manifold on the drivers side? P0031 is supposed
>>>>> to be the O2 sensor just in front of cat. converter. Dealership quote
>>>>> me $495 which sounded like a lot just for an couple O2 sensors. Anyone
>>>>> out there have any tips or info?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Both those codes are for problems with the SAME Air Fuel sensor. (Bank
>>>> 1 sensor 1). It's probably a $300 part at the dealer...it's $250 at
>>>> Napa. Then add $100 minimum labor to install, and don't forget the
>>>> $100
>>>> minimum to use THEIR scan tool (again?) not your previous information.
>>>>
>>>> so, yep, $500
>>>>
>>>> GW
>>>
>>> GW,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the info. Should I go OEM or it doesn't matter? I can get
>>> the part around $150 online.
>>>

>>
>>OE is a Denso brand, so I would use that, which can be found....tricky
>>part is there are several different part # listings so you gotta make
>>really sure its the right one.
>>
>>GW

>
> I got a good tip on the OE part number and what seems a decent
> schematic of where the part is located here:
> http://www.2carpros.com/questions/to...ror-code-p0031



Just to cross the eyes and dot the T's,

Bank 1 is the bank with the #1 cylinder, and the #1 cylinder is the one at
the forward end of the crankshaft, not the one on the front of the engine.
The transmission is on the back of the engine where the #6 cylinder is
found, and the #1 cylinder is at the front of the engine where the accessory
belts and stuff such as the alternator and air conditioner are found -- in a
transverse (sideways) engine, the front of the engine is not the side that
is directly behind the bumper, it is at the end adjacent to a shock tower.

I only bring this to your attention because on the link you posted, somebody
replaced the wrong sensor and then described in detail how the light
remained on.




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Old 20 Feb 2014, 07:04 pm   #10 (permalink)
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Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 07:03:17 -1000, Geoff Welsh <GeeDubya@some.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
>>>> Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
>>>>> So my wife's 2005 Camry XLE V6 (67,000 miles) had the check engine
>>>>> light come on and now her "Trac Off" light is on. I had the codes
>>>>> scanned and it turned up P2238 and P0031. Apparently P2238 is noted in
>>>>> TSB EG037-4 and is a known issue with a faulty Air / Fuel O2 sensor at
>>>>> Bank 1 Sensor 1 location. Has anyone replaced this part? Apparently
>>>>> it's just behind the manifold on the drivers side? P0031 is supposed
>>>>> to be the O2 sensor just in front of cat. converter. Dealership quote
>>>>> me $495 which sounded like a lot just for an couple O2 sensors. Anyone
>>>>> out there have any tips or info?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Both those codes are for problems with the SAME Air Fuel sensor. (Bank
>>>> 1 sensor 1). It's probably a $300 part at the dealer...it's $250 at
>>>> Napa. Then add $100 minimum labor to install, and don't forget the $100
>>>> minimum to use THEIR scan tool (again?) not your previous information.
>>>>
>>>> so, yep, $500
>>>>
>>>> GW
>>>
>>> GW,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the info. Should I go OEM or it doesn't matter? I can get
>>> the part around $150 online.
>>>

>>
>> OE is a Denso brand, so I would use that, which can be found....tricky
>> part is there are several different part # listings so you gotta make
>> really sure its the right one.
>>
>> GW

>
> I got a good tip on the OE part number and what seems a decent
> schematic of where the part is located here:
> http://www.2carpros.com/questions/to...ror-code-p0031
>


That's a good picture and it identifies Bank 1 Sensor 1, and when you
cross reference from "mechanic/engineer terms" to the parts catalog, the
B1S1 sensor is referred to "Upstream, Rear" , and from Denso's very own
catalog, the current part number is 234-9047 which over-rules any
number found in an old bulletin anywhere.

you can check yourself:

http://www.densoautoparts.com/find-m...icle-selection

GW
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