Customers want wireless charging in next-gen Prius Plug-In; they might get it

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Old 10 Jul 2014, 04:16 am   #1 (permalink)
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Default Customers want wireless charging in next-gen Prius Plug-In; they might get it

Could 2016 be the year prospective Toyota Prius Plug-in Hybrid buyers are waiting for? Why, yes, says an unidentified Toyota spokesman. That's according to Plug-in Cars, which reports that a wireless plug-in vehicle charging system may be less than two years away for the Prius Plug-in. WiTricity has, for a few years, been developing its magnetic resonance wireless charging system for the model. This type of system allows for more distance leeway than other wireless setups when it comes to how cl...
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Old 10 Jul 2014, 04:23 pm   #2 (permalink)
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In article <cIqdnXbau6dGxCPOnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d@bt.com>,
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> Could 2016 be the year prospective Toyota Prius Plug-in Hybrid buyers are
> waiting for?

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Wow, so all two of them will be getting excited.
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Old 10 Jul 2014, 08:10 pm   #3 (permalink)
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In article <110720140923535208%YourName@YourISP.com>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <cIqdnXbau6dGxCPOnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d@bt.com>,
> <sjmmail2000-247@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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> > Could 2016 be the year prospective Toyota Prius Plug-in Hybrid buyers are
> > waiting for?

> <snip>
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> Wow, so all two of them will be getting excited.


And will be getting cancer.
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Old 10 Jul 2014, 08:25 pm   #4 (permalink)
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In article <elmop-3B6E93.21104910072014@[78.46.70.116]>, Elmo P.
Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

> In article <110720140923535208%YourName@YourISP.com>,
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <cIqdnXbau6dGxCPOnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d@bt.com>,
> > <sjmmail2000-247@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > Could 2016 be the year prospective Toyota Prius Plug-in Hybrid buyers are
> > > waiting for?

> > <snip>
> >
> > Wow, so all two of them will be getting excited.

>
> And will be getting cancer.


Only if Ebola doesn't get 'em first. ;-)
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Old 14 Jul 2014, 02:15 pm   #5 (permalink)
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On 7/10/2014 6:10 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <110720140923535208%YourName@YourISP.com>,
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <cIqdnXbau6dGxCPOnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d@bt.com>,
>> <sjmmail2000-247@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Could 2016 be the year prospective Toyota Prius Plug-in Hybrid buyers are
>>> waiting for?

>> <snip>
>>
>> Wow, so all two of them will be getting excited.

>
> And will be getting cancer.
>


The appeal of inductive charging is very limited. For pubic parking
lots, the way it works now, is that several spaces share one charging
unit. With inductive charging you need every space to have it's own coil.

One company I know has a grant from the DOE to develop inductive
charging. They are unenthusiastic about the commercial viability but
they are doing the development work because of the grant.

The whole model of charging stations is broken right now. The ones that
work cost so much money that no one would use them. The free ones are
often non-functional. We have two charge stations (not free) near my
house next to city hall. The only reason they are there is because the
former mayor owns a company that manufactures and sells charging
stations. It would cost me $3 to charge the Prius Plug-In from one of
those stations and it would give me about 12 miles. A very bad deal.

I never noticed just how many Prius Plug-Ins there are around. I know
that they were initially selling poorly, but Toyota did big price cuts
recently. The next generation will hopefully do better than 12 miles on
electric only. 25 miles on electric only would be a pretty compelling
product.
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Old 14 Jul 2014, 04:01 pm   #6 (permalink)
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In article <lq1a92$cv0$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> On 7/10/2014 6:10 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> > In article <110720140923535208%YourName@YourISP.com>,
> > Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <cIqdnXbau6dGxCPOnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d@bt.com>,
> >> <sjmmail2000-247@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Could 2016 be the year prospective Toyota Prius Plug-in Hybrid buyers are
> >>> waiting for?
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> Wow, so all two of them will be getting excited.

> >
> > And will be getting cancer.
> >

>
> The appeal of inductive charging is very limited. For pubic parking
> lots, the way it works now, is that several spaces share one charging
> unit. With inductive charging you need every space to have it's own coil.


Not necessarily. You could have one larger coil under two / three /
four / etc. carpark spaces. It's not like the electricity is "lost" by
being "transferred" to th first car it reaches.




> The whole model of charging stations is broken right now. The ones that
> work cost so much money that no one would use them. The free ones are
> often non-functional. We have two charge stations (not free) near my
> house next to city hall. The only reason they are there is because the
> former mayor owns a company that manufactures and sells charging
> stations. It would cost me $3 to charge the Prius Plug-In from one of
> those stations and it would give me about 12 miles. A very bad deal.


It's the same with all these gimmicky "alternative fuels". There's so
many silly ideas around that nobody wants to waste money on something
that will be dropped in a couple of years.

If you want a real alternative fuel that's readily available, then they
should design a car that runs on McDonalds hamburgers. :-)



> I never noticed just how many Prius Plug-Ins there are around. I know
> that they were initially selling poorly, but Toyota did big price cuts
> recently. The next generation will hopefully do better than 12 miles on
> electric only. 25 miles on electric only would be a pretty compelling
> product.


Not to mention that most electric-only cars are simply ugly, charging
takes far too long, and the range is pitiful.

Nissan dramatically dropped the price of the Leaf here in New Zealand
recently ... by around NZ$30,000!! That's sure to anger the couple of
fools silly enoigh to have previously bought one. But apart from still
being ugly, there's very few places to actually charge the thing.
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Old 15 Jul 2014, 05:31 am   #7 (permalink)
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In article <lq1a92$cv0$1@dont-email.me>,
sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> I never noticed just how many Prius Plug-Ins there are around. I know
> that they were initially selling poorly, but Toyota did big price cuts
> recently. The next generation will hopefully do better than 12 miles on
> electric only. 25 miles on electric only would be a pretty compelling
> product.


It's called the Volt.
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Old 15 Jul 2014, 10:15 am   #8 (permalink)
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"sms" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
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> On 7/10/2014 6:10 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>> In article <110720140923535208%YourName@YourISP.com>,
>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <cIqdnXbau6dGxCPOnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d@bt.com>,
>>> <sjmmail2000-247@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Could 2016 be the year prospective Toyota Prius Plug-in Hybrid buyers
>>>> are
>>>> waiting for?
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> Wow, so all two of them will be getting excited.

>>
>> And will be getting cancer.
>>

>


> I never noticed just how many Prius Plug-Ins there are around. I know that
> they were initially selling poorly, but Toyota did big price cuts
> recently. The next generation will hopefully do better than 12 miles on
> electric only. 25 miles on electric only would be a pretty compelling
> product.


25 miles is compelling? It's almost 25 miles for the round trip to our
favorite pizza shop. Yes, there are plenty of pizzas closer, but the GOOD
one is gonna log 20+ miles to get there and back.

Personally, I find that an all-electric car has no viability to the general
population. Yes, it might have strong appeal to a small segment in well
defined usage models, but as a general rule there is pretty much zero
attraction. Something less than 1% of the car buyers will be able to use an
all-electric car until the range is far better than the 25 miles that you
are hoping for.


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On 7/15/2014 3:31 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <lq1a92$cv0$1@dont-email.me>,
> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> I never noticed just how many Prius Plug-Ins there are around. I know
>> that they were initially selling poorly, but Toyota did big price cuts
>> recently. The next generation will hopefully do better than 12 miles on
>> electric only. 25 miles on electric only would be a pretty compelling
>> product.

>
> It's called the Volt.


The Volt is a much simpler system, basically a gasoline powered
generator to charge the battery when needed. There are big advantages in
the more complex Toyota hybrid system where both the electric motor and
the gasoline engine can power the wheels simultaneously.

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Old 15 Jul 2014, 08:05 pm   #10 (permalink)
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In article <elmop-A68AC0.06311215072014@[78.46.70.116]>, Elmo P.
Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> In article <lq1a92$cv0$1@dont-email.me>,
> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I never noticed just how many Prius Plug-Ins there are around. I know
> > that they were initially selling poorly, but Toyota did big price cuts
> > recently. The next generation will hopefully do better than 12 miles on
> > electric only. 25 miles on electric only would be a pretty compelling
> > product.

>
> It's called the Volt.


25 miles?!? Geez, that would barely make it to the supermarket and
back. Electric-only cars need to have at least 100 miles per charge to
be useful, and recharging needs to be *A LOT* quicker (as in a few
minutes rather than all night!).

There is an article in today's local newspaper where some "expert" who
believes we'll all be using communal / hailable, electric, self-driving
cars by 2030.
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