ES-350 front end "overhang"

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Old 03 Feb 2011, 12:14 pm   #1 (permalink)
Wayne
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Default ES-350 front end "overhang"

My wife's new ES-350 seems to have an abnormally long and low overhand.
This causes the underside to scrape a curb as the car is curved accurately
into a parallel parking spot. I say "abnormally long and low" because
neither of us has ever had this much problem with any other car.

The "parking assist" normally alarms just as or slightly after contact. In
other words, the "parking assist" is helpful only when objects are
approached straight on.

The question is: how do others deal with the underside scrapes? How does
touch up paint work out? How much does a repainting of the panel cost, etc?

Our current plan is to have the section repainted after we learn to avoid
banging into curbs.


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Old 03 Feb 2011, 05:59 pm   #2 (permalink)
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"Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> My wife's new ES-350 seems to have an abnormally long and low overhand.
> This causes the underside to scrape a curb as the car is curved accurately
> into a parallel parking spot. I say "abnormally long and low" because
> neither of us has ever had this much problem with any other car.
>
> The "parking assist" normally alarms just as or slightly after contact.
> In other words, the "parking assist" is helpful only when objects are
> approached straight on.
>
> The question is: how do others deal with the underside scrapes? How does
> touch up paint work out? How much does a repainting of the panel cost,
> etc?
>
> Our current plan is to have the section repainted after we learn to avoid
> banging into curbs.


Are you saying that, while the car is parking itself on autopilot, it
scrapes the curb?

If so, I'd bring it back to the Lexus dealer and have them fix it, including
both the paint job as well as the faulty auto-parking feature. If they
can't fix the faulty auto-parking feature, I'd insist that they fix the
paint.


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Old 03 Feb 2011, 09:18 pm   #3 (permalink)
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"David Z" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>> My wife's new ES-350 seems to have an abnormally long and low overhand.
>> This causes the underside to scrape a curb as the car is curved
>> accurately into a parallel parking spot. I say "abnormally long and low"
>> because neither of us has ever had this much problem with any other car.
>>
>> The "parking assist" normally alarms just as or slightly after contact.
>> In other words, the "parking assist" is helpful only when objects are
>> approached straight on.
>>
>> The question is: how do others deal with the underside scrapes? How does
>> touch up paint work out? How much does a repainting of the panel cost,
>> etc?
>>
>> Our current plan is to have the section repainted after we learn to avoid
>> banging into curbs.

>
> Are you saying that, while the car is parking itself on autopilot, it
> scrapes the curb?
>
> If so, I'd bring it back to the Lexus dealer and have them fix it,
> including both the paint job as well as the faulty auto-parking feature.
> If they can't fix the faulty auto-parking feature, I'd insist that they
> fix the paint.
>

No, I'm talking about the parking assist that detects nearby objects and
sounds an alarm when backing up or going forward in a parking spot. If you
have the skill to pull into a parallel sparking spot in a single move, the
car overhang will scrape the curb. That is, unless you park 1 or 2 feet
from the curb.


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Old 04 Feb 2011, 12:11 am   #4 (permalink)
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"Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> My wife's new ES-350 seems to have an abnormally long and low overhand.
> This causes the underside to scrape a curb as the car is curved accurately
> into a parallel parking spot. I say "abnormally long and low" because
> neither of us has ever had this much problem with any other car.
>
> The "parking assist" normally alarms just as or slightly after contact.
> In other words, the "parking assist" is helpful only when objects are
> approached straight on.
>
> The question is: how do others deal with the underside scrapes? How does
> touch up paint work out? How much does a repainting of the panel cost,
> etc?
>
> Our current plan is to have the section repainted after we learn to avoid
> banging into curbs.
>


Is the underside of the rear or the front scraping when parallel parking?
If it is the rear, you are probably hearing the exhaust pipe hitting the
curb, and as long as it is not bent or dented, the pipe should survive a few
scrapes.

Remove unnecessary weight in the trunk, check to make sure the tires are
properly inflated, and look at the car when it is parked on level ground to
make sure it is not sagging in the rear.

The parking assist doesn't reliably detect objects that are below its "line
of sight" like curbs or small animals,

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Old 04 Feb 2011, 09:55 am   #5 (permalink)
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"Ray O" <rokigawa@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>> My wife's new ES-350 seems to have an abnormally long and low overhand.
>> This causes the underside to scrape a curb as the car is curved
>> accurately into a parallel parking spot. I say "abnormally long and low"
>> because neither of us has ever had this much problem with any other car.
>>
>> The "parking assist" normally alarms just as or slightly after contact.
>> In other words, the "parking assist" is helpful only when objects are
>> approached straight on.
>>
>> The question is: how do others deal with the underside scrapes? How does
>> touch up paint work out? How much does a repainting of the panel cost,
>> etc?
>>
>> Our current plan is to have the section repainted after we learn to avoid
>> banging into curbs.
>>

>
> Is the underside of the rear or the front scraping when parallel parking?
> If it is the rear, you are probably hearing the exhaust pipe hitting the
> curb, and as long as it is not bent or dented, the pipe should survive a
> few scrapes.
>
> Remove unnecessary weight in the trunk, check to make sure the tires are
> properly inflated, and look at the car when it is parked on level ground
> to make sure it is not sagging in the rear.
>
> The parking assist doesn't reliably detect objects that are below its
> "line of sight" like curbs or small animals,
>
> --
>
> Ray O

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No the parking assist is not the issue. The subject line is "front end
overhang", and occurs when going forward into a parallel parking spot that
will have a curb alongside the side of the car. The overhang problem also
occurs when turning into a head in parking spot at an end spot that will
have a curb alongside the car.

If you swing into the parking spot such that the wheels will be within
inches of the curb, the front end will scrape the curb during the turn. So,
you have to swing in very wide, and move the car to the curb by going back
and forth. Or, you can park like a dufus, and leave the car parked 3 feet
from the curb.

While I'd much rather have a higher clearance, the question is how to handle
the repair/coverup. I see quite a number of ES-350s on the road that have
the same front end paint damage.


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Old 04 Feb 2011, 10:43 am   #6 (permalink)
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In article <iih7h3$87g$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote:

> The subject line is "front end
> overhang", and occurs when going forward into a parallel parking spot that
> will have a curb alongside the side of the car.


One does not parallel park by going forward into the spot.

One backs into the spot, and then swings the front end sideways into the
spot.
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Old 04 Feb 2011, 02:46 pm   #7 (permalink)
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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
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> In article <iih7h3$87g$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> The subject line is "front end
>> overhang", and occurs when going forward into a parallel parking spot
>> that
>> will have a curb alongside the side of the car.

>
> One does not parallel park by going forward into the spot.
>
> One backs into the spot, and then swings the front end sideways into the
> spot.

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I live in a small town where it is quite common to find one or more parking
spots vacant together. For example, on residential streets, where parking
is legal, but parking spots are not marked off. It would be rather odd to
back into such a parking space.

However, the subject I am trying to address is handling of the underside
scrapes.


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Old 05 Feb 2011, 09:06 am   #8 (permalink)
Robin Bignall
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On Thu, 3 Feb 2011 10:14:44 -0800, "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote:

>My wife's new ES-350 seems to have an abnormally long and low overhand.
>This causes the underside to scrape a curb as the car is curved accurately
>into a parallel parking spot. I say "abnormally long and low" because
>neither of us has ever had this much problem with any other car.
>

I have a SC430 and don't normally come across this problem. It's higher off the
ground than most curbs.
But, on a French autoroute (like an interstate) I got caught up in a narrow
chicane, with high curbs, that was designed to prevent trucks and campers
parking in the bit reserved for cars and disabled. I could not follow its curve
without scraping somewhere on the car. The bit under the left door was badly
gouged.

>The "parking assist" normally alarms just as or slightly after contact. In
>other words, the "parking assist" is helpful only when objects are
>approached straight on.
>
>The question is: how do others deal with the underside scrapes? How does
>touch up paint work out? How much does a repainting of the panel cost, etc?
>

My car has water-based paint and I've found that touch-up pens don't do a
satisfactory job. I haven't yet tried spray cans because I can only get them
from a dealer a long way away.

>Our current plan is to have the section repainted after we learn to avoid
>banging into curbs.
>

Probably wise. The bit under the door I described above cost UKP 160 to
replace.
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Old 10 Feb 2011, 10:50 pm   #9 (permalink)
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"Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> "Ray O" <rokigawa@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message
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>> "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>>> My wife's new ES-350 seems to have an abnormally long and low overhand.
>>> This causes the underside to scrape a curb as the car is curved
>>> accurately into a parallel parking spot. I say "abnormally long and
>>> low" because neither of us has ever had this much problem with any other
>>> car.
>>>
>>> The "parking assist" normally alarms just as or slightly after contact.
>>> In other words, the "parking assist" is helpful only when objects are
>>> approached straight on.
>>>
>>> The question is: how do others deal with the underside scrapes? How
>>> does touch up paint work out? How much does a repainting of the panel
>>> cost, etc?
>>>
>>> Our current plan is to have the section repainted after we learn to
>>> avoid banging into curbs.
>>>

>>
>> Is the underside of the rear or the front scraping when parallel parking?
>> If it is the rear, you are probably hearing the exhaust pipe hitting the
>> curb, and as long as it is not bent or dented, the pipe should survive a
>> few scrapes.
>>
>> Remove unnecessary weight in the trunk, check to make sure the tires are
>> properly inflated, and look at the car when it is parked on level ground
>> to make sure it is not sagging in the rear.
>>
>> The parking assist doesn't reliably detect objects that are below its
>> "line of sight" like curbs or small animals,
>>
>> --
>>
>> Ray O

> -
> No the parking assist is not the issue. The subject line is "front end
> overhang", and occurs when going forward into a parallel parking spot that
> will have a curb alongside the side of the car. The overhang problem also
> occurs when turning into a head in parking spot at an end spot that will
> have a curb alongside the car.
>
> If you swing into the parking spot such that the wheels will be within
> inches of the curb, the front end will scrape the curb during the turn.
> So, you have to swing in very wide, and move the car to the curb by going
> back and forth. Or, you can park like a dufus, and leave the car parked 3
> feet from the curb.
>
> While I'd much rather have a higher clearance, the question is how to
> handle the repair/coverup. I see quite a number of ES-350s on the road
> that have the same front end paint damage.
>

Like Elmo, I was picturing backing into a parallel parking spot between
other parked cars.

The front end of the current generation ES does not appear to be abnormally
long or low to me. It appears to be shorter than on my '04 LS and about
the same ground clearance.

The design of many contemporary cars includes a lower edge on the front of
the cars to reduce the gap between the undercarriage and the road surface to
better manage the flow of air under the car, which reduces drag, which
improves fuel economy. The plastic shield that is probably installed under
the engine compartment of your car reduces turbulence, which creates drag.

The downside to the improved underbody airflow management is that it takes a
while to become accustomed to not hitting anything.
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Old 12 Feb 2011, 09:47 am   #10 (permalink)
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"Ray O" <rokigawa@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message
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>>> "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>>>> My wife's new ES-350 seems to have an abnormally long and low overhand.
>>>> This causes the underside to scrape a curb as the car is curved
>>>> accurately into a parallel parking spot. I say "abnormally long and
>>>> low" because neither of us has ever had this much problem with any
>>>> other
>>>> car.
>>>>

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>>
>> While I'd much rather have a higher clearance, the question is how to
>> handle the repair/coverup. I see quite a number of ES-350s on the road
>> that have the same front end paint damage.
>>

> Like Elmo, I was picturing backing into a parallel parking spot between
> other parked cars.
>
> The front end of the current generation ES does not appear to be
> abnormally long or low to me. It appears to be shorter than on my '04 LS
> and about the same ground clearance.
>
> The design of many contemporary cars includes a lower edge on the front of
> the cars to reduce the gap between the undercarriage and the road surface
> to better manage the flow of air under the car, which reduces drag, which
> improves fuel economy. The plastic shield that is probably installed
> under the engine compartment of your car reduces turbulence, which creates
> drag.
>
> The downside to the improved underbody airflow management is that it takes
> a while to become accustomed to not hitting anything.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>

I don't know why the ES seems so long, but to me it feels much longer than
any car we have ever had, including a Corvette. At any rate, neither the
wife or I have crunched anything in a couple of weeks, to the 5000 mile
checkup may be the right time for a repainting


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