Toyota hid Lexus Lurching Transmission Hardware Defects fromConsumers

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Old 23 May 2010, 01:36 pm   #1 (permalink)
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Default Toyota hid Lexus Lurching Transmission Hardware Defects fromConsumers

"Five months before the new 2002 Lexus ES hit showroom floors, the
company's U.S. engineers sent a test report to Toyota City in Japan:
The luxury sedan shifted gears so roughly that it was "not acceptable
for production."

Days later, another Japanese executive sent an e-mail to top managers
saying that despite misgivings among U.S. officials, the 2002 Lexus
was "marginally acceptable for production." The new ES went on sale
across the nation on Oct. 1, 2001.

In an interview with company lawyers in November 2005, two Toyota
engineers indicated that "the performance characteristics of the
vehicles are NOT related to the software, but to hardware issues,"
according to an e-mail sent by Biller.

But company officials ruled out solving the problem "due to the
complications as well as costs associated with a change from three to
four engine mounts," according to a memo written by Toyota's outside
counsel regarding the same meeting.

The redesigned 2007 ES, released less than a year later, had four
engine mounts."

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Old 24 May 2010, 04:08 pm   #2 (permalink)
Bill Yanaire, ESQ
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You're back. I thought maybe you got arrested again or you were found stone
drunk in some alley because you haven't posted in awhile. Back to the
negative postings. Don't you wish you could afford to buy TOYOTA?

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Old 26 May 2010, 10:14 am   #3 (permalink)
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On 5/23/10 12:36 PM, in article
56e2c5d1-58ee-46c8-ae31-31db2e059389...oglegroups.com, "john"
<johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "Five months before the new 2002 Lexus ES hit showroom floors, the
> company's U.S. engineers sent a test report to Toyota City in Japan:
> The luxury sedan shifted gears so roughly that it was "not acceptable
> for production."
>
> Days later, another Japanese executive sent an e-mail to top managers
> saying that despite misgivings among U.S. officials, the 2002 Lexus
> was "marginally acceptable for production." The new ES went on sale
> across the nation on Oct. 1, 2001.
>
> In an interview with company lawyers in November 2005, two Toyota
> engineers indicated that "the performance characteristics of the
> vehicles are NOT related to the software, but to hardware issues,"
> according to an e-mail sent by Biller.
>
> But company officials ruled out solving the problem "due to the
> complications as well as costs associated with a change from three to
> four engine mounts," according to a memo written by Toyota's outside
> counsel regarding the same meeting.
>
> The redesigned 2007 ES, released less than a year later, had four
> engine mounts."
>
> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...,3565181.story


A rough shifting transmission is not a defect, safety of otherwise, its just
a crappy transmission. If anyone test drove the car before buying and it
bothered them, they wouldn't have bought it.

Clearly, if it was in production for six years and people were buying and
driving the cars, there wasn't anything seriously wrong with it. The
message I get from this is that American buyers were dumb enough to buy a
car with a "marginally acceptable" shifting transmission and kept doing it
for six years.

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Old 26 May 2010, 10:51 am   #4 (permalink)
jim beam
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On 05/26/2010 07:14 AM, E. Meyer wrote:
> On 5/23/10 12:36 PM, in article
> 56e2c5d1-58ee-46c8-ae31-31db2e059389...oglegroups.com, "john"
> <johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Five months before the new 2002 Lexus ES hit showroom floors, the
>> company's U.S. engineers sent a test report to Toyota City in Japan:
>> The luxury sedan shifted gears so roughly that it was "not acceptable
>> for production."
>>
>> Days later, another Japanese executive sent an e-mail to top managers
>> saying that despite misgivings among U.S. officials, the 2002 Lexus
>> was "marginally acceptable for production." The new ES went on sale
>> across the nation on Oct. 1, 2001.
>>
>> In an interview with company lawyers in November 2005, two Toyota
>> engineers indicated that "the performance characteristics of the
>> vehicles are NOT related to the software, but to hardware issues,"
>> according to an e-mail sent by Biller.
>>
>> But company officials ruled out solving the problem "due to the
>> complications as well as costs associated with a change from three to
>> four engine mounts," according to a memo written by Toyota's outside
>> counsel regarding the same meeting.
>>
>> The redesigned 2007 ES, released less than a year later, had four
>> engine mounts."
>>
>> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...,3565181.story

>
> A rough shifting transmission is not a defect, safety of otherwise, its just
> a crappy transmission. If anyone test drove the car before buying and it
> bothered them, they wouldn't have bought it.
>
> Clearly, if it was in production for six years and people were buying and
> driving the cars, there wasn't anything seriously wrong with it. The
> message I get from this is that American buyers were dumb enough to buy a
> car with a "marginally acceptable" shifting transmission and kept doing it
> for six years.
>


or it could mean that this is just subjective bullshit. for example,
here in the u.s., cvt transmissions are rare. not because they are
unreliable or that they don't work well, but because the american
consumer "expects" a transmission that "shifts". indeed, before the
honda fit was released here, initial press announcements included
reference to the cvt transmission that that vehicle has in all other
global markets, and that they were considering programming it to have
"seven gears", i.e. seven distinct shift points [a ridiculous idea
defeating the whole point of cvt - the absolutely most optimum rpm's at
all times which is what gives them such great fuel economy]. when the
fit was eventually released, it had been equipped with a conventional
five speed auto instead - to conform to american consumer expectations,
[or at least, what honda usa had been telling honda japan].

bottom line, toyota have decided to "modify" this transmission's
behavior to more closely mimic the domestic crap people "expect" when
driving their buicks. so, you are indeed correct - "nothing seriously
wrong with it" indeed.


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