My 2010 RX 350 loaner

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Old 26 May 2010, 08:54 pm   #1 (permalink)
J Golden
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Default My 2010 RX 350 loaner

Today my 2003 RX300 went in for its 100,000 mile service and audio
system repair, so I was given a shiny new 2010 Lexus RX 350 as a
loaner for the day. It's been a memorable day with the 350, so I just
had to review it here and compare it to my 2003 model. For some
reason, it has the ridiculous color scheme of silver exterior and
white interior. A black interior would have been more appropriate.

Engine and Drivetrain:

Outstanding. The engine is powerful and purrs, the 6 speed
transmission with manual shift option shifts imperceptibly. In
contrast, my 2003 RX feels sluggish and slow. But... my 2003 uses
regular fuel and this baby requires premium. Still, worth it...
Advantage 2010.

Comfort and Driving position:

The "Captains Chairs" are gone so I keep banging my elbow on the
center console when I put on the seat belt. Driving position is OK but
a piece of trim hangs down above the brake and accelerator pedals. As
a result, my foot gets stuck on the accelerator and I have to
awkwardly twist it to depress the brake and vice versa. Not good
Lexus considering the recent concerns about acceleration. The seats
are heated and cooled. I didn't notice the cooling, my passenger
didn't like it and turned it off. The AC is powerful butt surprisingly
drafty! The rear seat reclines but toe room and foot room are very
tight.
No contest here, my 2003 is far more comfortable. Not good Lexus...
not good! Access to the power outlets requires removing the I-Phone
holder and the "garbage can" from the center console. I found a phone
charger attached to the power outlet. It's easy to forget about, and
difficult to access.

Handling:

A small turning circle makes for easy parking but the steering gives
little feel of the road. However, the 350 takes sharp turns in stride
with minimal body lean. Nice work Lexus. MUCH better than my 2003.

Braking:

Except for that piece hanging down that interferes with braking,
excellent.

Ride:

Poor!.. Yes, poor! The 2003 Lexus had a slightly firm ride and soaked
up bumps easily. The 2010 feels like a boat in choppy seas half the
time. The other half the time it feels like a plane in turbulents. The
Lexus rocks from side to side constantly, and then kicks sharply
painfully so. This is one of the worst riding vehicles I've ever
driven.

Visibility:

The rear view camera is a really nice touch, but the rear side areas
of the vehicle are still invisible in the camera or by turning around
and looking. There is much too big a blind spot in the rear of this
car.

Controls:

Technology gone crazy! A couple of years ago, I had an RX loaner that
was ruled by "voice commands" and controls on the steelring wheel. It
was an amazing vehicle. The 2010 RX is ruled by a mouse and pointer.
Who the hell has time to use a mouse and pointer while driving to
adjust the radio, the climate control, the GPS, etc, etc. !!? It's
the worst design I have ever seen. The 2008 loaner I had used voice
recognition and simple controls on the steerng wheel to do the same
things, and was much more intuitive. I called Lexus to talk me through
raising the volume of the voice for the GPS. But the 2010 doesn't mute
the audio system when the GPS is speaking.. the 2008 model did.

I do like the Satellite Radio although I kept getting "No Signal".
while driving home. I called Lexus to ask about some of the
mysterious buttons. One turns the stability control off. I'm not sure
why I would ever want to do that in an SUV... maybe in the IS, but not
in the RX . Another goes into permanent 4 wheel drive. I didn't ask
about the button that showed a picture of the vehicle with wings
coming out of the rear. Maybe that is nitrous mode? Or maybe it flies
over traffic?

As, for that GPS, it kept sending me the wrong way down one way
streets and it doesn't like left turns.

Overall...

Good handling, quiet, nice satellite radio, excellent engine and
transmission. But... horrible ride and technology gone crazy. No, I
wouldn't buy another RX. Oh, and how is Lexus doing with the "passion
for perfection". Well, the audio system part that arrived was the
wrong one, so they have to re-order it. So I have the pleasure of
driving this 2010 at least through Friday, if not through Tuesday of
next week.

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Old 26 May 2010, 10:01 pm   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: My 2010 RX 350 loaner

In article <1ojrv5t2ht4l7h3egl988f5r2lsgk4prsk@4ax.com>,
prettygoldenboy@yahoos.com says...
<snip>
> I do like the Satellite Radio although I kept getting "No Signal".
> while driving home. I called Lexus to ask about some of the
> mysterious buttons. One turns the stability control off. I'm not sure
> why I would ever want to do that in an SUV... maybe in the IS, but not
> in the RX . Another goes into permanent 4 wheel drive. I didn't ask


If you have a flat and have to put the donut spare on the vehicle, you
HAVE to turn off the stability control because the donut spare is a
different diameter than the regular tires and will cause the stability
control to malfunction. It's that way on all vehicles with stability
control, not just Lexus.

HTH,

Bob
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Old 26 May 2010, 10:14 pm   #3 (permalink)
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Just a thought:

Almost every time I have moved from a car that I'm accustomed to into
a brand new vehicle, for about the first day or two I seem to find
things about the overall fit, seating, interior curves in my way, etc.
that bother me...
....then after a few days I'm completely used to the new car.

I noticed my girlfriend said the same thing when she got her new car,
she said she was "uncomfortable" in it. A few days later I asked her
again how she likes it and she said she loves it.

So, I'm wondering if any of the discomforts you've noticed are just
basic "creature of habit" syndrome? I certainly fall into that
category in a big way when it comes to autos. I sort of cringe
whenever someone asks me to drive their car for any reason, I feel
like I'm flirting with death in a vehicle I'm unfamiliar with. And I
can't ever think of a time when I had a loaner that I liked. I spend
the whole week longing for my regular car.

The things you did like (engine, transmission, radio) are also
consistent with my experiences. Usually if I go from an older car to
a newer one, the smoothness of the newer engine and transmission are
one of the only parts that's better (sometimes the radio too if I
don't have to dink with a lot of confusing controls).

Luckily, as I said, in the case of buying new cars the unfamiliarity
gives way to familiarity with a vehicle which is simply in better
overall shape than my prior one.
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Old 27 May 2010, 09:50 am   #4 (permalink)
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"bob" <nottooslow42@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.26679c7d3856df44989796@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <1ojrv5t2ht4l7h3egl988f5r2lsgk4prsk@4ax.com>,
> prettygoldenboy@yahoos.com says...
> <snip>
>> I do like the Satellite Radio although I kept getting "No Signal".
>> while driving home. I called Lexus to ask about some of the
>> mysterious buttons. One turns the stability control off. I'm not sure
>> why I would ever want to do that in an SUV... maybe in the IS, but not
>> in the RX . Another goes into permanent 4 wheel drive. I didn't ask

>
> If you have a flat and have to put the donut spare on the vehicle, you
> HAVE to turn off the stability control because the donut spare is a
> different diameter than the regular tires and will cause the stability
> control to malfunction. It's that way on all vehicles with stability
> control, not just Lexus.
> HTH,
> Bob

-
And with the "funny spare", in addition to turning off the stability
control...
1) Don't drive more than 50 MPH on the interstate
2) Don't drive more than 100 miles
3) No chains allowed, of course
4) If you have a stiff trunk liner, drop the rear seats and move the trunk
liner forward to get access to the funny spare. (note...trunk liners don't
move easily..put the luggage on the roadside for this exercise)
5) Since the flat will not fit completely into the funny spare storage area,
don't carry any luggage in the trunk. Otherwise, you might have to put it
in the rear seat, the front seat, tie it to the overhead carrier, or simply
leave the luggage on the side of the road.

Other than that and the stupid placement of accessory outlets....not a bad
car.


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Old 27 May 2010, 09:02 pm   #5 (permalink)
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Default Re: My 2010 RX 350 loaner

The 2010 RX has a donut spare? My 03 RX has a full sized spare on an
Alloy Wheel identical to the ones on the vehicle.

On Wed, 26 May 2010 22:01:20 -0500, bob <nottooslow42@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>In article <1ojrv5t2ht4l7h3egl988f5r2lsgk4prsk@4ax.com>,
>prettygoldenboy@yahoos.com says...
><snip>
>> I do like the Satellite Radio although I kept getting "No Signal".
>> while driving home. I called Lexus to ask about some of the
>> mysterious buttons. One turns the stability control off. I'm not sure
>> why I would ever want to do that in an SUV... maybe in the IS, but not
>> in the RX . Another goes into permanent 4 wheel drive. I didn't ask

>
>If you have a flat and have to put the donut spare on the vehicle, you
>HAVE to turn off the stability control because the donut spare is a
>different diameter than the regular tires and will cause the stability
>control to malfunction. It's that way on all vehicles with stability
>control, not just Lexus.
>
>HTH,
>
>Bob


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Old 27 May 2010, 09:21 pm   #6 (permalink)
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Default Re: My 2010 RX 350 loaner

I don't think piece of trim that hangs down over the accelerator and
brake pedal that interferes with my ability to switch from the
accelerator to the brake and vice versa relates to unfamiliarity.

A few people at work noticed my loaner today and said, "Gee, it looks
like Infitinit's FX" I realized they are right.

A couple of years ago, I took my 03 RX into a different Lexus dealer
and waited for the repair. Because the repair was going to take longer
than they anticipated they gave me a loaner. But all their loaners
were out, so they used their agreement with Enterprise Rent a Car to
give me a vehicle. It turned out to be a Ford Explorer. I loved that
truck, and I kept it for four days while my vehicle was being
serviced.

I still wouldn't buy another RX.


On Wed, 26 May 2010 23:14:28 -0400, Keith T. <kt277x@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>Just a thought:
>
>Almost every time I have moved from a car that I'm accustomed to into
>a brand new vehicle, for about the first day or two I seem to find
>things about the overall fit, seating, interior curves in my way, etc.
>that bother me...
>...then after a few days I'm completely used to the new car.
>
>I noticed my girlfriend said the same thing when she got her new car,
>she said she was "uncomfortable" in it. A few days later I asked her
>again how she likes it and she said she loves it.
>
>So, I'm wondering if any of the discomforts you've noticed are just
>basic "creature of habit" syndrome? I certainly fall into that
>category in a big way when it comes to autos. I sort of cringe
>whenever someone asks me to drive their car for any reason, I feel
>like I'm flirting with death in a vehicle I'm unfamiliar with. And I
>can't ever think of a time when I had a loaner that I liked. I spend
>the whole week longing for my regular car.
>
>The things you did like (engine, transmission, radio) are also
>consistent with my experiences. Usually if I go from an older car to
>a newer one, the smoothness of the newer engine and transmission are
>one of the only parts that's better (sometimes the radio too if I
>don't have to dink with a lot of confusing controls).
>
>Luckily, as I said, in the case of buying new cars the unfamiliarity
>gives way to familiarity with a vehicle which is simply in better
>overall shape than my prior one.


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Old 28 May 2010, 08:15 pm   #7 (permalink)
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Since I'm not being told that I have the 2010 RX 350 till at least
Tueday, I have a couple of questions.


1. Is there any way to get the lights in the hatch area to go on when
the hatch is open? My 2003 did that automatically. The 2010 has three
separate lights that seem to each be controlled by manual switches.
It's not nice to be in a dark area, open the rear hatch and not be
able to see what is inside.

2. The audio system. Sat 1 radio was set to POP in my vehicle and I
could use the up and down arrows on the left side of the steering
wheel to change to the next and prevous station. But.. when I use the
joystick to select a different type of station (rock for instance) I
can select the next or previous station using the seek-scan button on
the dash, but... if I try to use the up or down buttons on the left of
the steering wheel it goes back to pop! How can I get the button on
the steering wheel to go to the next or previous station of whatever
type of music style I've chosen?

I still think this vehicle is technology gone crazy. Lexus lost me
as a customer.





On Wed, 26 May 2010 23:14:28 -0400, Keith T. <kt277x@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>Just a thought:
>
>Almost every time I have moved from a car that I'm accustomed to into
>a brand new vehicle, for about the first day or two I seem to find
>things about the overall fit, seating, interior curves in my way, etc.
>that bother me...
>...then after a few days I'm completely used to the new car.
>
>I noticed my girlfriend said the same thing when she got her new car,
>she said she was "uncomfortable" in it. A few days later I asked her
>again how she likes it and she said she loves it.
>
>So, I'm wondering if any of the discomforts you've noticed are just
>basic "creature of habit" syndrome? I certainly fall into that
>category in a big way when it comes to autos. I sort of cringe
>whenever someone asks me to drive their car for any reason, I feel
>like I'm flirting with death in a vehicle I'm unfamiliar with. And I
>can't ever think of a time when I had a loaner that I liked. I spend
>the whole week longing for my regular car.
>
>The things you did like (engine, transmission, radio) are also
>consistent with my experiences. Usually if I go from an older car to
>a newer one, the smoothness of the newer engine and transmission are
>one of the only parts that's better (sometimes the radio too if I
>don't have to dink with a lot of confusing controls).
>
>Luckily, as I said, in the case of buying new cars the unfamiliarity
>gives way to familiarity with a vehicle which is simply in better
>overall shape than my prior one.


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