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Old 20 Nov 2010, 05:39 pm   #1 (permalink)
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2010 20:53:18 -0500, Cathy F. wrote:

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> "dbu," <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:gI2dndfQMLrk7nXRnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@giganews.com ...
>> In article <ic9r7f$h1l$1@speranza.aioe.org>, "Sharx35"
>> <sharx335@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Cathy F." <clfr@rrroadrunnnerrr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7OydnYysz4wy9XXRnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@giganews.com ...
>>> > Am reviewing tires to buy for my car before winter sets in. 2010
>>> > Prius
>>> >>
>>> > Cathy
>>> >
>>> >
>>> Up here in the Canadian Sub-Arctic, in Edmonton, the majority of
>>> drivers, at
>>> least in urban areas, do NOT use snow tires. We simply carry a shovel
>>> in the
>>> trunk for that maybe once in 5 years it is necessary to use it, instead
>>> of
>>> waiting for a tow. Simply modify driving habits to allow for greater
>>> braking
>>> and accelerating distance and NO NEED to spend hundreds of bucks on
>>> snow tires plus to labor to change them twice a year. All seasons rule
>>> except for
>>> those who do a lot of driving on rural side roads OR have a lot of
>>> unsanded
>>> hills to deal with. Hype from tire manufacturers aside.

>>
>> I surely would not waste my money on snow tires, that is a thing of the
>> distant past, like studs...LOL

>
> Ummm... you two don't seem to have noticed that - with the exception of
> the tires that initially come on the cars - I mentioned that I've been
> switching to/using all-season radials that have good ratings, incl. for
> snow - of which we tend to get a lot ("lake effect" country here), for the
> last 20+ years. If, OTOH, you want to pay no attention to that sort of
> detail & don't care about how your tires drive in snowy conditions, feel
> free to go slip-sliding around on snowy roads. I don't recommend it, but
> hey - to each their own, n'est-ce pas?
>
> Thanks for your ever-so-helpful replies.
>
> Cathy


During and since the winter of 2007 I have gone back to dedicated snows on
the cars that go out in the winter. 2007 was BRUTAL, it was also the year
I was delivering newpapers from 1:30AM to 3-4:30 AM, and of course, when
it snowed, the storms would start at...um, 1:30AM! I had some decent
all-seasons (that cost a whopping $29 NEW) but on the days it would snow
and then RAIN! UGH!! Since I basically have to work anytime FEDEx does, I
went with snows. I left the last set I bought on the Mazda and got three
years out of them.


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Old 20 Nov 2010, 06:32 pm   #2 (permalink)
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Am reviewing tires to buy for my car before winter sets in. 2010 Prius
bought in Oct. '09, went through last winter with original tires - Yokohama
Avid S33 - & although last winter was not all that snowy, driving with them
was -not- good. Actually, have never liked the tires that came on my new
Toyotas (often Integrities, which were also lousy in snow). After switching
to all-seasons (vs. studded snows which I used before before radials came on
the scene), always wound up buying new tires that were better suited for
snowy winters. And dry roads/cornering, for that matter. Liked the Goodyear
Regatta & Regatta II the best.

Have whittled it down to 2 all-seasons and 2 dedicated snows. All-seasons
in the running: Yokohama Avid Envigor and the Goodyear Assurance
TripleTreds. Snows: Michelin X-Ice Xi2 and Dunlop SP WinterSport 3D. All
have TireRack ratings in various categories ranging from 7.5 - 9.2. I've
done a mini spreadsheet to compare them, & it's basically a wash. Will need
to check local prices.

Anyone know if there's a way to retro look up the ratings for the
discontinued (several years ago) all-season Goodyear Regattas that I bought
for my '90 & '98 Corollas, by any chance? Would give me an even better idea
re: choosing the new tires, since I was happy with the Regattas in all road
conditions, summer & winter. Held dry roads well, & were good in snow.

I also looked up the ratings for the tires that came on the Prius: the
Yokohama Avid S33. Holy crap - no wonder I dislike them so much! Their
ratings range from 2.9 - 6.1, with only 3.1 - 3.3 for snowy conditions!
Arghh - *why* they're supplied on cars destined for snowy winter areas is
beyond me.

Cathy


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Old 20 Nov 2010, 07:04 pm   #3 (permalink)
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"Cathy F." <clfr@rrroadrunnnerrr.com> wrote in message
news:7OydnYysz4wy9XXRnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@giganews.com ...
> Am reviewing tires to buy for my car before winter sets in. 2010 Prius
>>

> Cathy
>


Up here in the Canadian Sub-Arctic, in Edmonton, the majority of drivers, at
least in urban areas, do NOT use snow tires. We simply carry a shovel in the
trunk for that maybe once in 5 years it is necessary to use it, instead of
waiting for a tow. Simply modify driving habits to allow for greater braking
and accelerating distance and NO NEED to spend hundreds of bucks on snow
tires plus to labor to change them twice a year. All seasons rule except for
those who do a lot of driving on rural side roads OR have a lot of unsanded
hills to deal with. Hype from tire manufacturers aside.

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Old 20 Nov 2010, 07:16 pm   #4 (permalink)
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In article <7OydnYysz4wy9XXRnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Cathy F." <clfr@rrroadrunnnerrr.com> wrote:

> Am reviewing tires to buy for my car before winter sets in. 2010 Prius
> bought in Oct. '09, went through last winter with original tires - Yokohama
> Avid S33 - & although last winter was not all that snowy, driving with them
> was -not- good. Actually, have never liked the tires that came on my new
> Toyotas (often Integrities, which were also lousy in snow). After switching
> to all-seasons (vs. studded snows which I used before before radials came on
> the scene), always wound up buying new tires that were better suited for
> snowy winters. And dry roads/cornering, for that matter. Liked the Goodyear
> Regatta & Regatta II the best.
>
> Have whittled it down to 2 all-seasons and 2 dedicated snows. All-seasons
> in the running: Yokohama Avid Envigor and the Goodyear Assurance
> TripleTreds. Snows: Michelin X-Ice Xi2 and Dunlop SP WinterSport 3D. All
> have TireRack ratings in various categories ranging from 7.5 - 9.2. I've
> done a mini spreadsheet to compare them, & it's basically a wash. Will need
> to check local prices.
>
> Anyone know if there's a way to retro look up the ratings for the
> discontinued (several years ago) all-season Goodyear Regattas that I bought
> for my '90 & '98 Corollas, by any chance? Would give me an even better idea
> re: choosing the new tires, since I was happy with the Regattas in all road
> conditions, summer & winter. Held dry roads well, & were good in snow.
>
> I also looked up the ratings for the tires that came on the Prius: the
> Yokohama Avid S33. Holy crap - no wonder I dislike them so much! Their
> ratings range from 2.9 - 6.1, with only 3.1 - 3.3 for snowy conditions!
> Arghh - *why* they're supplied on cars destined for snowy winter areas is
> beyond me.
>
> Cathy


What does "holy crap" mean? Holy shit maybe? I can understand the shit
part, but I cannot understand why one would bless shit by calling it
holy. Is that what you really mean, about holy crap? Please explain.

Of course, I don't expect an answer from this left wing ex teacher/green
person from NY, with the pirus...LOL,
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Old 20 Nov 2010, 07:18 pm   #5 (permalink)
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In article <ic9r7f$h1l$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
"Sharx35" <sharx335@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "Cathy F." <clfr@rrroadrunnnerrr.com> wrote in message
> news:7OydnYysz4wy9XXRnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@giganews.com ...
> > Am reviewing tires to buy for my car before winter sets in. 2010 Prius
> >>

> > Cathy
> >

>
> Up here in the Canadian Sub-Arctic, in Edmonton, the majority of drivers, at
> least in urban areas, do NOT use snow tires. We simply carry a shovel in the
> trunk for that maybe once in 5 years it is necessary to use it, instead of
> waiting for a tow. Simply modify driving habits to allow for greater braking
> and accelerating distance and NO NEED to spend hundreds of bucks on snow
> tires plus to labor to change them twice a year. All seasons rule except for
> those who do a lot of driving on rural side roads OR have a lot of unsanded
> hills to deal with. Hype from tire manufacturers aside.


I surely would not waste my money on snow tires, that is a thing of the
distant past, like studs...LOL
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Old 20 Nov 2010, 07:20 pm   #6 (permalink)
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In article <gI2dndTQMLqa7nXRnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"dbu," <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> wrote:

> What does "holy crap" mean? Holy shit maybe? I can understand the shit
> part, but I cannot understand why one would bless shit by calling it
> holy. Is that what you really mean, about holy crap? Please explain.


Let me guess: English is not your native language.

> Of course, I don't expect an answer from this left wing ex teacher/green
> person from NY, with the pirus...LOL,


Thats because you're so used to tuning out reality.

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Old 20 Nov 2010, 07:47 pm   #7 (permalink)
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"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
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> In article <gI2dndTQMLqa7nXRnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> "dbu," <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> What does "holy crap" mean? Holy shit maybe? I can understand the shit
>> part, but I cannot understand why one would bless shit by calling it
>> holy. Is that what you really mean, about holy crap? Please explain.

>
> Let me guess: English is not your native language.
>
>> Of course, I don't expect an answer from this left wing ex teacher/green
>> person from NY, with the pirus...LOL,

>
> Thats because you're so used to tuning out reality.


Ask him/dbu (dbu' or dbu. or dbu"....) about the existence of temperate rain
forests. ;-P (That argument goes back years - acc. to dbu (and his various
usernames) the only rain forests that exist are jungles/tropical rain
forests.

Cathy


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Old 20 Nov 2010, 07:53 pm   #8 (permalink)
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"dbu," <nospam@nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:gI2dndfQMLrk7nXRnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@giganews.com ...
> In article <ic9r7f$h1l$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
> "Sharx35" <sharx335@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Cathy F." <clfr@rrroadrunnnerrr.com> wrote in message
>> news:7OydnYysz4wy9XXRnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@giganews.com ...
>> > Am reviewing tires to buy for my car before winter sets in. 2010 Prius
>> >>
>> > Cathy
>> >

>>
>> Up here in the Canadian Sub-Arctic, in Edmonton, the majority of drivers,
>> at
>> least in urban areas, do NOT use snow tires. We simply carry a shovel in
>> the
>> trunk for that maybe once in 5 years it is necessary to use it, instead
>> of
>> waiting for a tow. Simply modify driving habits to allow for greater
>> braking
>> and accelerating distance and NO NEED to spend hundreds of bucks on snow
>> tires plus to labor to change them twice a year. All seasons rule except
>> for
>> those who do a lot of driving on rural side roads OR have a lot of
>> unsanded
>> hills to deal with. Hype from tire manufacturers aside.

>
> I surely would not waste my money on snow tires, that is a thing of the
> distant past, like studs...LOL


Ummm... you two don't seem to have noticed that - with the exception of the
tires that initially come on the cars - I mentioned that I've been switching
to/using all-season radials that have good ratings, incl. for snow - of
which we tend to get a lot ("lake effect" country here), for the last 20+
years. If, OTOH, you want to pay no attention to that sort of detail &
don't care about how your tires drive in snowy conditions, feel free to go
slip-sliding around on snowy roads. I don't recommend it, but hey - to each
their own, n'est-ce pas?

Thanks for your ever-so-helpful replies.

Cathy

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Old 20 Nov 2010, 09:35 pm   #9 (permalink)
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In article <XaudnVTGscrY53XRnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Cathy F." <clfr@rrroadrunnnerrr.com> wrote:

> Ask him/dbu (dbu' or dbu. or dbu"....) about the existence of temperate
> rain forests. ;-P (That argument goes back years - acc. to dbu (and his
> various usernames) the only rain forests that exist are jungles/tropical
> rain forests.


Actually, there are temperate rain forests:

Temperate rainforests are rainforests in temperate regions. They can be
found in North America (in the Pacific Northwest, the British Columbia
Coast, and in the inland rainforest of the Rocky Mountain Trench east of
Prince George), in Europe (parts of the British Isles such as the coastal
areas of Ireland, Scotland, southern Norway, parts of the western Balkans
along the Adriatic coast, as well as in the North West of Spain and coastal
areas of the eastern Black Sea, including Georgia and coastal Turkey), in
East Asia (in southern China, Taiwan, much of Japan and Korea, and on
Sakhalin Island and the adjacent Russian Far East coast), in South America
(southern Chile) and also Australia and New Zealand.

Here's a map of where they are:
<http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rainforest_map
..svg>

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Old 20 Nov 2010, 10:41 pm   #10 (permalink)
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"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
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> In article <XaudnVTGscrY53XRnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> "Cathy F." <clfr@rrroadrunnnerrr.com> wrote:
>
>> Ask him/dbu (dbu' or dbu. or dbu"....) about the existence of temperate
>> rain forests. ;-P (That argument goes back years - acc. to dbu (and his
>> various usernames) the only rain forests that exist are jungles/tropical
>> rain forests.

>
> Actually, there are temperate rain forests:



Yeah, I know, but good luck convincing dbu of their existence. ;-) No
matter what evidence given to him a few years ago, he adamantly contended
that tropical rainforests are the only kind that exist.

>
> Temperate rainforests are rainforests in temperate regions. They can be
> found in North America (in the Pacific Northwest, the British Columbia
> Coast, and in the inland rainforest of the Rocky Mountain Trench east of
> Prince George), in Europe (parts of the British Isles such as the coastal
> areas of Ireland, Scotland, southern Norway, parts of the western Balkans
> along the Adriatic coast, as well as in the North West of Spain and
> coastal
> areas of the eastern Black Sea, including Georgia and coastal Turkey), in
> East Asia (in southern China, Taiwan, much of Japan and Korea, and on
> Sakhalin Island and the adjacent Russian Far East coast), in South America
> (southern Chile) and also Australia and New Zealand.
>
> Here's a map of where they are:
> <http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rainforest_map
> .svg>
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