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Old 01 Jan 2011, 12:02 pm   #1 (permalink)
Peter Granzeau
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I drove my wife over to the grocery yesterday (about 4 blocks) to do
some last minute shopping in my '06 Prius. We went in, did our
shopping, got back in the car, and it was locked somewhere between on
and off. When I went to turn it on, all the red lights came on, but
that was it. When I tried to turn it off, it wouldn't turn off all the
way. I called the AAA for service, and sent my wife home in a cab. The
AAA got there with one of those flatbed trucks. I noticed that by this
time, the 12V battery was dead, so the first thing we tried was a jump.
No luck. The car was still locked somewhere in no-no land. The next
thing was to try to get the damn car onto the flatbed. If he's had a
normal wrecker, he could have picked up the front wheels and been off
and gone in 20 minutes, but nooooo, he had to get the car onto the
flatbed. It took him nearly an hour of backing and filling to pull the
car, front wheels locked, up onto the bed. Off the car went to the
dealer, too late to see the service department until Monday, and I took
a cab home, too (I couldn't climb up into the truck to save my soul, I'm
too old and weak.

I'm going to sell the damn Prius and get a car that I can get into
neutral if I need it, at the very least. Maybe a Ford Fusion (NOT the
hybrid).
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Old 01 Jan 2011, 01:30 pm   #2 (permalink)
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Peter Granzeau:

> I drove my wife over to the grocery yesterday (about 4 blocks) to do
> some last minute shopping in my '06 Prius. We went in, did our
> shopping, got back in the car, and it was locked somewhere between on
> and off. When I went to turn it on, all the red lights came on, but
> that was it. When I tried to turn it off, it wouldn't turn off all the
> way. I called the AAA for service, and sent my wife home in a cab. The
> AAA got there with one of those flatbed trucks. I noticed that by this
> time, the 12V battery was dead, so the first thing we tried was a jump.
> No luck. The car was still locked somewhere in no-no land. The next
> thing was to try to get the damn car onto the flatbed. If he's had a
> normal wrecker, he could have picked up the front wheels and been off
> and gone in 20 minutes, but nooooo, he had to get the car onto the
> flatbed. It took him nearly an hour of backing and filling to pull the
> car, front wheels locked, up onto the bed. Off the car went to the
> dealer, too late to see the service department until Monday, and I took
> a cab home, too (I couldn't climb up into the truck to save my soul, I'm
> too old and weak.
>
> I'm going to sell the damn Prius and get a car that I can get into
> neutral if I need it, at the very least. Maybe a Ford Fusion (NOT the
> hybrid).


Sounds like a wise choice. The Prius isn't suitable for everyone.

I had the 12-volt battery in my '06 Prius go dead in the morning on
Christmas Eve. Fortunately, I was not far from home and my wife arrived
shortly with jumper cables. I drove straight to the Toyota garage and
they did some diagnostics, recommending only that I recharge the
battery and then have them test it again. I can't afford to be stranded
in the winter, so if there's any question of battery condition I will
replace the battery. Four years / 32,000 miles isn't a very good
lifetime for an automobile battery, methinks.

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Old 01 Jan 2011, 01:41 pm   #3 (permalink)
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In article <010120111430049826%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:

> I can't afford to be stranded in the winter, so if there's any question
> of battery condition I will replace the battery. Four years / 32,000
> miles isn't a very good lifetime for an automobile battery, methinks.


Mine lasted about six years and 69,000 miles. And it appears that Toyota
is the only place to get one. Pep Boys and Sears do not carry the 12-volt
battery for the Prius, but I didn't check any other 3rd party source.

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Old 01 Jan 2011, 01:52 pm   #4 (permalink)
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In article <010120111430049826%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net>
wrote:

> I had the 12-volt battery in my '06 Prius go dead in the morning on
> Christmas Eve. Fortunately, I was not far from home and my wife arrived
> shortly with jumper cables. I drove straight to the Toyota garage and
> they did some diagnostics, recommending only that I recharge the
> battery and then have them test it again. I can't afford to be stranded
> in the winter, so if there's any question of battery condition I will
> replace the battery. Four years / 32,000 miles isn't a very good
> lifetime for an automobile battery, methinks.


Huh.

I've drained my 07 12v battery once (within the last year); jumped it,
left the car in "ready" for 20 minutes or so, and went on my way.

72K miles on the clock now, the car will be four years old in March, and
nary a problem with the battery or otherwise.
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Old 01 Jan 2011, 02:32 pm   #5 (permalink)
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"Peter Granzeau" <pgranzeau@cox.net> wrote in message
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>I drove my wife over to the grocery yesterday (about 4 blocks) to do
> some last minute shopping in my '06 Prius. We went in, did our
> shopping, got back in the car, and it was locked somewhere between on
> and off. When I went to turn it on, all the red lights came on, but
> that was it. When I tried to turn it off, it wouldn't turn off all the
> way. I called the AAA for service, and sent my wife home in a cab. The
> AAA got there with one of those flatbed trucks. I noticed that by this
> time, the 12V battery was dead, so the first thing we tried was a jump.
> No luck. The car was still locked someswhere in no-no land. The next
> thing was to try to get the damn car onto the flatbed. If he's had a
> normal wrecker, he could have picked up the front wheels and been off
> and gone in 20 minutes, but nooooo, he had to get the car onto the
> flatbed. It took him nearly an hour of backing and filling to pull the
> car, front wheels locked, up onto the bed. Off the car went to the
> dealer, too late to see the service department until Monday, and I took
> a cab home, too (I couldn't climb up into the truck to save my soul, I'm
> too old and weak.
>
> I'm going to sell the damn Prius and get a car that I can get into
> neutral if I need it, at the very least. Maybe a Ford Fusion (NOT the
> hybrid).
> --
> Regards, Pete
> pgranzeau@cox.net


Did you try disconnecting the 12v battery to reset the system? Low system
voltage plays hell on cars. I know of a 2001 Ram 1500 pickup that when the
battery terminals need to be cleaned it will start and run but will not
idle, you have to keep your foot on the accelerator to keep it running.

I know on the NHW20 gaining access to the dead 12v battery is no fun since
the hatch only opens electrically but it would have been worth a try.

From the wording of your post however it sounds as though you already have
your mind made up about this which makes me think only 1 thing: what color
is it and does it have SKS? I am looking for an '06 Seaside Pearl with SKS.

I don't like Fords because of the Mike Rowe BS in the commercials and past
experiences with them (I do my own maintenance), I don't like new GMs
because of the EV-1 thing, I don't like newer Chryslers made since the
Daimler merger, the NHW11 is too small, the ZVW30 has that ridiculous
suspended arch joining the dash and center console, hence I want an NHW20
Prius. My current car is a '97 Lumina


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Old 01 Jan 2011, 02:38 pm   #6 (permalink)
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"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
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> In article <010120111430049826%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
>
>> I can't afford to be stranded in the winter, so if there's any question
>> of battery condition I will replace the battery. Four years / 32,000
>> miles isn't a very good lifetime for an automobile battery, methinks.

>
> Mine lasted about six years and 69,000 miles. And it appears that Toyota
> is the only place to get one. Pep Boys and Sears do not carry the 12-volt
> battery for the Prius, but I didn't check any other 3rd party source.
>
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> People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.


Just about any 12V battery will work in a Prius since it doesn't crank the
engine. 2 popular options are a Mazda Miata battery, and an Optima yellow
top. I would probably run a group U1 AGM power wheelchair battery if I had
a Prius. I wonder if a 22nf wheelchair battery could be shoehorned in?

Keep in mind that the posts on the OE battery are smaller than standard SAE
top posts so you would have to either trim down the posts on a replacement
battery or change the ends on the car. The easiest is to get a battery with
studs or flag terminals and just remove the clamps from the car's ends and
bolt them on.


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Old 01 Jan 2011, 08:06 pm   #7 (permalink)
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Daniel who wants to know:
> Just about any 12V battery will work in a Prius since it doesn't crank the
> engine. 2 popular options are a Mazda Miata battery, and an Optima yellow
> top. I would probably run a group U1 AGM power wheelchair battery if I had
> a Prius. I wonder if a 22nf wheelchair battery could be shoehorned in?


> Keep in mind that the posts on the OE battery are smaller than standard SAE
> top posts so you would have to either trim down the posts on a replacement
> battery or change the ends on the car. The easiest is to get a battery with
> studs or flag terminals and just remove the clamps from the car's ends and
> bolt them on.


Bzzzzzzt! Wrong answer. The *easiest* way to deal with a dead Prius
battery is to go to the Toyota dealer and have them install a new
battery. The impecunious are often forced to do things the hard way,
while the skinflint often chooses to do things the hard way. The rest
of us understand that time is the world's most valuable commodity.

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Old 01 Jan 2011, 08:14 pm   #8 (permalink)
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In article <010120112106026174%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:

> Bzzzzzzt! Wrong answer. The *easiest* way to deal with a dead Prius
> battery is to go to the Toyota dealer and have them install a new
> battery.


Nah, the easiest way is to trade it in on a new Prius. But that's probably
the most expensive way.

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Old 01 Jan 2011, 08:43 pm   #9 (permalink)
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On Sat, 01 Jan 2011 13:02:20 -0500, Peter Granzeau <pgranzeau@cox.net>
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>I'm going to sell the damn Prius and get a car that I can get into
>neutral if I need it, at the very least. Maybe a Ford Fusion (NOT the
>hybrid).


I had a Corolla with automatic transmission. One morning I had a flat
battery and couldn't shift out of Park. The man from AAA gave me a
battery boost and said the transmission would not work with a flat
battery.
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Old 02 Jan 2011, 01:16 am   #10 (permalink)
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"John" <jdoliver@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 01 Jan 2011 13:02:20 -0500, Peter Granzeau <pgranzeau@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> I had a Corolla with automatic transmission. One morning I had a flat
> battery and couldn't shift out of Park. The man from AAA gave me a
> battery boost and said the transmission would not work with a flat
> battery.


Probably because of a shifter brake interlock system using a 12v solenoid.
My Lumina has one of these too, an audible click/clunk is heard from the
steering column when applying or releasing the brake pedal while in park.
These can be somewhat easily defeated with a dead 12V. The NHW20 Prius has
a gear reduction switched reluctance motor on the transaxle to actuate the
parking pawl and IIRC it has to be removed to manually take the car out of
park. The NHW11 however had a "normal" cable operated parking pawl linked
to the shift lever inside.


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