1 millionth Prius sold in the USA

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Old 06 Apr 2011, 07:13 pm   #1 (permalink)
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Default 1 millionth Prius sold in the USA

I'm reminded of all the hybrid skeptics that over the years predicted
the death of the Prius:

o CNW Marketing and their "Hummer"
o Sunday Mail reporting all nickel is used just for hybrid batteries
and destroyed Canada
o EU claims that hybrids are not profitable and just a marketing trick
o Diesel advocates, "Green Human" bogus race that at best was a tie
o Consumer Reports, Forbes, e.t.c, "Hybrids don't pay"

Well I noticed we're not seeing so many hybrid skeptics any longer.
They must have all bought Androids and are not predicting the death of
the Apple iPad.

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Old 07 Apr 2011, 05:33 am   #2 (permalink)
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In article
<d3d15d6a-1e04-4bab-b510-92b3d8cb19e6@s3g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,
bwilson4web <bwilson4web@gmail.com> wrote:

> o Consumer Reports, Forbes, e.t.c, "Hybrids don't pay"
>
> Well I noticed we're not seeing so many hybrid skeptics any longer.
> They must have all bought Androids and are not predicting the death of
> the Apple iPad.


But the fact remains, the price premium for a hybrid doesn't pay off for
a very, very long time--enough time that most people don't have the car
anymore.
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Old 07 Apr 2011, 10:35 am   #3 (permalink)
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On Apr 7, 6:33*am, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> In article
> <d3d15d6a-1e04-4bab-b510-92b3d8cb1...@s3g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,
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> *bwilson4web <bwilson4...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > o Consumer Reports, Forbes, e.t.c, "Hybrids don't pay"

>
> > Well I noticed we're not seeing so many hybrid skeptics any longer.
> > They must have all bought Androids and are not predicting the death of
> > the Apple iPad.

>
> But the fact remains, the price premium for a hybrid doesn't pay off for
> a very, very long time--enough time that most people don't have the car
> anymore.


I believe that depends on what you might have bought instead of a
hybrid.
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Old 07 Apr 2011, 02:18 pm   #4 (permalink)
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In article
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mark b <mbagdon@novusengineering.com> wrote:

> > But the fact remains, the price premium for a hybrid doesn't pay off for
> > a very, very long time--enough time that most people don't have the car
> > anymore.

>
> I believe that depends on what you might have bought instead of a
> hybrid.


That assumes that you would have bought a car of comparable size and
equipment.

If you're comparing a Prius to an Escalade...well, then, you're an idiot.
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Old 07 Apr 2011, 03:33 pm   #5 (permalink)
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Elmo P. Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

> > > But the fact remains, the price premium for a hybrid doesn't pay off for
> > > a very, very long time--enough time that most people don't have the car
> > > anymore.

> >
> > I believe that depends on what you might have bought instead of a
> > hybrid.

>
> That assumes that you would have bought a car of comparable size and
> equipment.


At the time I bought my Prius (September, 2004), a comparably equipped
Camry was about the same price.

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Old 07 Apr 2011, 06:05 pm   #6 (permalink)
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In article <1jzd4la.qgu8z01svp8ngN%mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult .com>,
mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) wrote:

> At the time I bought my Prius (September, 2004), a comparably equipped
> Camry was about the same price.


Right--but it's a larger vehicle that does different things, including
getting much worse mileage. Not comparable.

Corolla is always bandied about as "get one of those for $12K, and use
the $10K difference to pay for gas--and since the Corolla gets 35mpg,
you can run it forever and still have money left over". No, the Corolla
is *not* comparable to the Prius. Sit in them both, and you'll see.

Toyota did one thing smart with the Prius--its size slots it right
between Corolla and Camry.
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Old 07 Apr 2011, 07:22 pm   #7 (permalink)
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On Apr 7, 5:33*am, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
.. . .
>
> But the fact remains, the price premium for a hybrid doesn't pay off for
> a very, very long time--enough time that most people don't have the car
> anymore.


Source?

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Old 08 Apr 2011, 04:56 am   #8 (permalink)
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In article
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bwilson4web <bwilson4web@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Apr 7, 5:33*am, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> . . .
> >
> > But the fact remains, the price premium for a hybrid doesn't pay off for
> > a very, very long time--enough time that most people don't have the car
> > anymore.

>
> Source?
>
> Bob Wilson


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Old 08 Apr 2011, 08:15 am   #9 (permalink)
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Elmo P. Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

> In article <1jzd4la.qgu8z01svp8ngN%mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult .com>,
> mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) wrote:
>
> > At the time I bought my Prius (September, 2004), a comparably equipped
> > Camry was about the same price.

>
> Right--but it's a larger vehicle that does different things, including
> getting much worse mileage. Not comparable.


Well, at the time those were the two cars I compared before buying. I
don't know what the situation is now, but in 2004 the Camry and Prius
had about the same interior space, front and rear. The Camry's edge was
in cargo space.

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Old 08 Apr 2011, 10:23 am   #10 (permalink)
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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

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> But the fact remains, the price premium for a hybrid doesn't pay off for
> a very, very long time--enough time that most people don't have the car
> anymore.


That's not a "fact" Shagnasty. I've had a Prius for 100k miles and
estimate that I've saved about 1150 gallons of gasoline over that time
versus driving an equivalent non-hybrid vehicle. In addition, the Prius
has not needed any of the following that are typically required on a
non-hybrid vehicle during that mileage period: brake relining,
transmission servicing, starter motor replacement, alternator
replacement, timing belt replacement, serpentine belt replacement, and
battery replacement. I would estimate that not having to do any of
those has saved me an addition several thousand dollars. There's a
reason why there have been a million Prius' sold.

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