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Old 15 Apr 2012, 09:08 am   #1 (permalink)
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After driving my 1999 Nissan Sentra SE (140HP) for 230K miles I am
thinking about a new car. Prior to that I owned a Mazda 323, both with
manual transmissions.

From all of the cost to own data I can find it looks like the Prius C
is one of the lowest cost cars to own on the market. After being
affected by a restructuring at age 60, that factor is now very important
to me. I have also found that I am still driving and putting miles on
the car going to various networking events. The Nissan although
performing well needs work to pass emissions, tie rod ends and ball
joints. Luckily I have enough cash to purchase a new car.

In many ways I thought the Prius C would fit my needs. However I am
concerned by the lack of acceleration. I think got very used to being
able to drop the Nissan down to a lower gear and quickly jockey myself
the position I wanted to be in to merge into traffic.

Any one go from a high HP car to a Prius? Have any difficulty with the
reduced HP?

I live in Connecticut. In practice I drive on lot of 2 lane country
roads where passing is rarely done. But it's nice to know the HP is
there when I need it.


Danielle











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Old 15 Apr 2012, 09:26 am   #2 (permalink)
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On 4/15/2012 9:08 AM, DanielleOM wrote:
>
> After driving my 1999 Nissan Sentra SE (140HP) for 230K miles I am
> thinking about a new car. Prior to that I owned a Mazda 323, both with
> manual transmissions.
>
> From all of the cost to own data I can find it looks like the Prius C
> is one of the lowest cost cars to own on the market. After being
> affected by a restructuring at age 60, that factor is now very important
> to me. I have also found that I am still driving and putting miles on
> the car going to various networking events. The Nissan although
> performing well needs work to pass emissions, tie rod ends and ball
> joints. Luckily I have enough cash to purchase a new car.
>
> In many ways I thought the Prius C would fit my needs. However I am
> concerned by the lack of acceleration. I think got very used to being
> able to drop the Nissan down to a lower gear and quickly jockey myself
> the position I wanted to be in to merge into traffic.
>
> Any one go from a high HP car to a Prius? Have any difficulty with the
> reduced HP?
>
> I live in Connecticut. In practice I drive on lot of 2 lane country
> roads where passing is rarely done. But it's nice to know the HP is
> there when I need it.
>
>
> Danielle



Drove it. Lacks power. CVT constantly hunts, with significant hysteresis.

Couldn't recommend it, but can't compare it to other Prii.
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Old 15 Apr 2012, 10:15 pm   #3 (permalink)
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On Apr 15, 9:08*am, DanielleOM <daniell...@reply.to.group.com> wrote:
> After driving my 1999 Nissan Sentra SE (140HP) for 230K miles I am
> thinking about a new car. *Prior to that I owned a Mazda 323, both with
> manual transmissions.
>
> *From all of the cost to own data I can find it looks like the Prius C
> is one of the lowest cost cars to own on the market. *After being
> affected by a restructuring at age 60, that factor is now very important
> to me. *I have also found that I am still driving and putting miles on
> the car going to various networking events. *The Nissan although
> performing well needs work to pass emissions, tie rod ends and ball
> joints. *Luckily I have enough cash to purchase a new car.
>
> In many ways I thought the Prius C would fit my needs. *However I am
> concerned by the lack of acceleration. *I think got very used to being
> able to drop the Nissan down to a lower gear and quickly jockey myself
> the position I wanted to be in to merge into traffic.
>
> Any one go from a high HP car to a Prius? *Have any difficulty with the
> reduced HP?
>
> I live in Connecticut. *In practice I drive on lot of 2 lane country
> roads where passing is rarely done. *But it's nice to know the HP is
> there when I need it.
>
> Danielle


I went from a 155 hp 1997 Olds Achieva to a 2001 Prius. It looks like
the specs for a 2001 Prius are close to those of the C. Lack of power
wasn't much of a problem. It took a little getting use to but it was
worth it for 50 mpg compared to about 27 for the Olds.
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Old 17 Apr 2012, 09:56 pm   #4 (permalink)
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"DanielleOM" wrote in message news:jmeh9a$ctp$1@dont-email.me...


After driving my 1999 Nissan Sentra SE (140HP) for 230K miles I am
thinking about a new car. Prior to that I owned a Mazda 323, both with
manual transmissions.

From all of the cost to own data I can find it looks like the Prius C
is one of the lowest cost cars to own on the market. After being
affected by a restructuring at age 60, that factor is now very important
to me. I have also found that I am still driving and putting miles on
the car going to various networking events. The Nissan although
performing well needs work to pass emissions, tie rod ends and ball
joints. Luckily I have enough cash to purchase a new car.

In many ways I thought the Prius C would fit my needs. However I am
concerned by the lack of acceleration. I think got very used to being
able to drop the Nissan down to a lower gear and quickly jockey myself
the position I wanted to be in to merge into traffic.

Any one go from a high HP car to a Prius? Have any difficulty with the
reduced HP?

I live in Connecticut. In practice I drive on lot of 2 lane country
roads where passing is rarely done. But it's nice to know the HP is
there when I need it.


Danielle

I have a conventional 2010 with great acceleration when I select the power
mode. Test drive the current year of that model. The C model hold what, an
additional 2 cu. ft. that will block the rear window? I parked mine
alongside a "C" and the difference was so insignificant as to not justify
the higher price. Either model will carry a 10' 2 X 4 positioned diagonally
with one end resting on the dash.














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Old 19 Apr 2012, 06:34 am   #5 (permalink)
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"DanielleOM" <danielle.e@reply.to.group.com> wrote in message
news:jmeh9a$ctp$1@dont-email.me...
>
> After driving my 1999 Nissan Sentra SE (140HP) for 230K miles I am
> thinking about a new car. Prior to that I owned a Mazda 323, both with
> manual transmissions.
>
> From all of the cost to own data I can find it looks like the Prius C is
> one of the lowest cost cars to own on the market. After being affected by
> a restructuring at age 60, that factor is now very important to me. I
> have also found that I am still driving and putting miles on the car going
> to various networking events. The Nissan although performing well needs
> work to pass emissions, tie rod ends and ball joints. Luckily I have
> enough cash to purchase a new car.
>
> In many ways I thought the Prius C would fit my needs. However I am
> concerned by the lack of acceleration. I think got very used to being
> able to drop the Nissan down to a lower gear and quickly jockey myself the
> position I wanted to be in to merge into traffic.
>
> Any one go from a high HP car to a Prius? Have any difficulty with the
> reduced HP?
>
> I live in Connecticut. In practice I drive on lot of 2 lane country roads
> where passing is rarely done. But it's nice to know the HP is there when
> I need it.
>
>
> Danielle


Had my Prius C3 about two weeks now, and when I first test drove it, I felt
the same way you did. And like you, I wasn't coming from a very powerful
engine either- just a 4 cylindar 2003 Accord. Going from a 2.4 engine to
1.5 engine, even though in a much ligher car, there is bound to be some
difference, but I think most of it is the deceptive way the CV transmission
works. You don't get that momentary seat of the pance surge you would get
when down shifting a manual, or even when an automatic downshifts in
response to you flooring the pedal.

The CVT works very gradually, and often the only feedback that you are
accelarating is when you see the numbers on the speedo rising, and of course
the sound of that smaller engine trying to keep up with your demands. It
takes some getting used to, and if you drive it in Eco mode, engine response
is even more muted. Turn Eco off, and you lose a few MPG, but engine
response will be at least a lttle better, but the CVT will always make it
feel less responsive than you are used to.

I think most Prius owners will tell you, and it's happening to me already,
that the car sort of challenges you to drive differently. The constant
feedback on the dashboard display of what every little gas pedal movement is
doing to your gas milage is a powerful inducement to moderate old habits,
and a reminder of exactly why you bought the car - saving on gas. I try to
drive in Eco mode all the time, but old habits are hard to break so once in
a while I turn it off just to have a little more fun with the car on some
back roads. I tend to drive fast - almost always over the speed limits, and
I may be one of the few Prius owners with radar detector on the dashboard.
So I find myself driving a little slower now. Maybe only 10 miles over the
limit where I would have done 15 before, but I still don't want to be the
one pulled over for the ticket, so the detector will stay there. But I sure
am enjoying the steady 50-55 MPG.


Bob


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Old 21 Apr 2012, 02:56 pm   #6 (permalink)
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On 4/19/2012 6:34 AM, rjdriver wrote:
> "DanielleOM"<danielle.e@reply.to.group.com> wrote in message
> news:jmeh9a$ctp$1@dont-email.me...
>> After driving my 1999 Nissan Sentra SE (140HP) for 230K miles I am
>> thinking about a new car. Prior to that I owned a Mazda 323, both with
>> manual transmissions.
>>
>> From all of the cost to own data I can find it looks like the Prius C is
>> one of the lowest cost cars to own on the market. After being affected by
>> a restructuring at age 60, that factor is now very important to me. I
>> have also found that I am still driving and putting miles on the car going
>> to various networking events. The Nissan although performing well needs
>> work to pass emissions, tie rod ends and ball joints. Luckily I have
>> enough cash to purchase a new car.
>>
>> In many ways I thought the Prius C would fit my needs. However I am
>> concerned by the lack of acceleration. I think got very used to being
>> able to drop the Nissan down to a lower gear and quickly jockey myself the
>> position I wanted to be in to merge into traffic.
>>
>> Any one go from a high HP car to a Prius? Have any difficulty with the
>> reduced HP?
>>
>> I live in Connecticut. In practice I drive on lot of 2 lane country roads
>> where passing is rarely done. But it's nice to know the HP is there when
>> I need it.
>>
>>
>> Danielle

> Had my Prius C3 about two weeks now, and when I first test drove it, I felt
> the same way you did. And like you, I wasn't coming from a very powerful
> engine either- just a 4 cylindar 2003 Accord. Going from a 2.4 engine to
> 1.5 engine, even though in a much ligher car, there is bound to be some
> difference, but I think most of it is the deceptive way the CV transmission
> works. You don't get that momentary seat of the pance surge you would get
> when down shifting a manual, or even when an automatic downshifts in
> response to you flooring the pedal.
>
> The CVT works very gradually, and often the only feedback that you are
> accelarating is when you see the numbers on the speedo rising, and of course
> the sound of that smaller engine trying to keep up with your demands. It
> takes some getting used to, and if you drive it in Eco mode, engine response
> is even more muted. Turn Eco off, and you lose a few MPG, but engine
> response will be at least a lttle better, but the CVT will always make it
> feel less responsive than you are used to.
>
> I think most Prius owners will tell you, and it's happening to me already,
> that the car sort of challenges you to drive differently. The constant
> feedback on the dashboard display of what every little gas pedal movement is
> doing to your gas milage is a powerful inducement to moderate old habits,
> and a reminder of exactly why you bought the car - saving on gas. I try to
> drive in Eco mode all the time, but old habits are hard to break so once in
> a while I turn it off just to have a little more fun with the car on some
> back roads. I tend to drive fast - almost always over the speed limits, and
> I may be one of the few Prius owners with radar detector on the dashboard.
> So I find myself driving a little slower now. Maybe only 10 miles over the
> limit where I would have done 15 before, but I still don't want to be the
> one pulled over for the ticket, so the detector will stay there. But I sure
> am enjoying the steady 50-55 MPG.
>
>
> Bob
>
>



Hi Bob, Thank you for your in depth reply. I suppose that I have not
yet ruled out the car. There are certainly aspects of the car that I
really like.

I thought I would get the two. From what I see the main difference
between the two and the three are electronic items.


Danielle
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Old 22 Apr 2012, 06:19 pm   #7 (permalink)
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"DanielleOM" <danielle.e@reply.to.group.com> wrote in message
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> On 4/19/2012 6:34 AM, rjdriver wrote:
>> "DanielleOM"<danielle.e@reply.to.group.com> wrote in message
>> news:jmeh9a$ctp$1@dont-email.me...
>>> After driving my 1999 Nissan Sentra SE (140HP) for 230K miles I am
>>> thinking about a new car. Prior to that I owned a Mazda 323, both with
>>> manual transmissions.
>>>
>>> From all of the cost to own data I can find it looks like the Prius C
>>> is
>>> one of the lowest cost cars to own on the market. After being affected
>>> by
>>> a restructuring at age 60, that factor is now very important to me. I
>>> have also found that I am still driving and putting miles on the car
>>> going
>>> to various networking events. The Nissan although performing well needs
>>> work to pass emissions, tie rod ends and ball joints. Luckily I have
>>> enough cash to purchase a new car.
>>>
>>> In many ways I thought the Prius C would fit my needs. However I am
>>> concerned by the lack of acceleration. I think got very used to being
>>> able to drop the Nissan down to a lower gear and quickly jockey myself
>>> the
>>> position I wanted to be in to merge into traffic.
>>>
>>> Any one go from a high HP car to a Prius? Have any difficulty with the
>>> reduced HP?
>>>
>>> I live in Connecticut. In practice I drive on lot of 2 lane country
>>> roads
>>> where passing is rarely done. But it's nice to know the HP is there
>>> when
>>> I need it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Danielle

>> Had my Prius C3 about two weeks now, and when I first test drove it, I
>> felt
>> the same way you did. And like you, I wasn't coming from a very powerful
>> engine either- just a 4 cylindar 2003 Accord. Going from a 2.4 engine to
>> 1.5 engine, even though in a much ligher car, there is bound to be some
>> difference, but I think most of it is the deceptive way the CV
>> transmission
>> works. You don't get that momentary seat of the pance surge you would
>> get
>> when down shifting a manual, or even when an automatic downshifts in
>> response to you flooring the pedal.
>>
>> The CVT works very gradually, and often the only feedback that you are
>> accelarating is when you see the numbers on the speedo rising, and of
>> course
>> the sound of that smaller engine trying to keep up with your demands. It
>> takes some getting used to, and if you drive it in Eco mode, engine
>> response
>> is even more muted. Turn Eco off, and you lose a few MPG, but engine
>> response will be at least a lttle better, but the CVT will always make it
>> feel less responsive than you are used to.
>>
>> I think most Prius owners will tell you, and it's happening to me
>> already,
>> that the car sort of challenges you to drive differently. The constant
>> feedback on the dashboard display of what every little gas pedal movement
>> is
>> doing to your gas milage is a powerful inducement to moderate old habits,
>> and a reminder of exactly why you bought the car - saving on gas. I try
>> to
>> drive in Eco mode all the time, but old habits are hard to break so once
>> in
>> a while I turn it off just to have a little more fun with the car on some
>> back roads. I tend to drive fast - almost always over the speed limits,
>> and
>> I may be one of the few Prius owners with radar detector on the
>> dashboard.
>> So I find myself driving a little slower now. Maybe only 10 miles over
>> the
>> limit where I would have done 15 before, but I still don't want to be the
>> one pulled over for the ticket, so the detector will stay there. But I
>> sure
>> am enjoying the steady 50-55 MPG.
>>
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>

>
>
> Hi Bob, Thank you for your in depth reply. I suppose that I have not yet
> ruled out the car. There are certainly aspects of the car that I really
> like.
>
> I thought I would get the two. From what I see the main difference
> between the two and the three are electronic items.
>
>
> Danielle


I started out with the two in mind. Figured I would replace the radio with
an aftermarket unit. The display was just too dim for my eyes. I hadn't
had steel wheels in a very long time, but was trying to keep it to a certain
price.

In the end, bolstered by a small lottery win, I was able to bridge the gap
between the two and a three with alloy wheels, and that's where I ended up.
Glad I did. The audio/nav system is really nice. And keyless entry has
already saved me some scratches near the door handle. My 9 year old Accord
was full of them. I'm not sure if the two has voice activation, but that
feature is not just a neat toy, it's a great way to not have to take your
eyes off the road. I never got into iPods, so I converted a bunch of my CDs
to MP3s, loaded them on a USB thumb drive, and have that plugged in all the
time. No fumbling with CDs anymore. I just say "Play" "Bonnie Raite
Luck of the Draw", and a second or two later, the album starts playing. Of
course, you can do that with MP3s loaded to a smart phone as well.

Dropped into the dealer today with a few questions and they said that C was
getting harder and harder to get, that I was lucky a got mine when I did.
Toyota didn't anticipate the demand. When they introduced it in Japan in
December they planned on selling 12000/month. They now have the single
plant making it on constant ovetime to keep up with the sales that are 5
times what they expected. I got mine before they started their advertising
blitz here in the US. Now that the word is out more widely, there are not
enough to go around. I hear one dealer in Florida is tacking a $6800
"market adjustement" on top of the sticker price.

It's not a perfect car by any means. The seats could use lumbar support,
the visors could use extenders, an anti sway bar is needed in the rear to
reduce body lean when you push it hard, and the audio/nav system could use a
sun shade when in direct sunlight, but again - there's that 50-55 MPG
bringing the smile back to my face.

Happy shopping.
Bob


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A little pricy, $23/each, I bought two, Toyota SAE papers discussing
the Prius c:

2012-01-1017 - Development of the New THS-II Powertrain for Compact
Vehicles
2012-01-0623 - Development of New Hybrid Transaxle for Sub-Compact-
Class
Vehicles

I don't know your technical background but I found both papers covered
my technical questions:

o 1.5L engine with cooled exhaust gas recirculation - improves high-
power efficiency
o 20 module battery - saves weight
o important transaxle design changes - saves weight, volume, and
reduced noise
o improved control laws - optimized for short trips

The 'Prius c' is in effect a refined version of the NHW11 (2001-03)
but 265 lbs lighter and the practicality of a hatchback. Acceleration
is not as fast as the 1.8L ZVW30 but it is still faster than
competing, compact cars.

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On 4/24/2012 9:50 AM, bwilson4web wrote:
> A little pricy, $23/each, I bought two, Toyota SAE papers discussing
> the Prius c:
>
> 2012-01-1017 - Development of the New THS-II Powertrain for Compact
> Vehicles
> 2012-01-0623 - Development of New Hybrid Transaxle for Sub-Compact-
> Class
> Vehicles
>
> I don't know your technical background but I found both papers covered
> my technical questions:
>
> o 1.5L engine with cooled exhaust gas recirculation - improves high-
> power efficiency
> o 20 module battery - saves weight
> o important transaxle design changes - saves weight, volume, and
> reduced noise
> o improved control laws - optimized for short trips
>
> The 'Prius c' is in effect a refined version of the NHW11 (2001-03)
> but 265 lbs lighter and the practicality of a hatchback. Acceleration
> is not as fast as the 1.8L ZVW30 but it is still faster than
> competing, compact cars.
>
> Bob Wilson



Sluggish, in my opinion.
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On Apr 24, 10:02*am, News <N...@Groups.Post> wrote:
> On 4/24/2012 9:50 AM, bwilson4web wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > A little pricy, $23/each, I bought two, Toyota SAE papers discussing
> > the Prius c:

>
> > 2012-01-1017 - Development of the New THS-II Powertrain for Compact
> > Vehicles
> > 2012-01-0623 - Development of New Hybrid Transaxle for Sub-Compact-
> > Class
> > Vehicles

>
> > I don't know your technical background but I found both papers covered
> > my technical questions:

>
> > * o 1.5L engine with cooled exhaust gas recirculation - improves high-
> > power efficiency
> > * o 20 module battery - saves weight
> > * o important transaxle design changes - saves weight, volume, and
> > reduced noise
> > * o improved control laws - optimized for short trips

>
> > The 'Prius c' is in effect a refined version of the NHW11 (2001-03)
> > but 265 lbs lighter and the practicality of a hatchback. Acceleration
> > is not as fast as the 1.8L ZVW30 but it is still faster than
> > competing, compact cars.

>
> > Bob Wilson

>
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