Would you buy a Toyota Prius?

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Old 08 Jul 2010, 04:40 pm   #1 (permalink)
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Would you buy a Toyota Prius?
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Old 08 Jul 2010, 04:58 pm   #2 (permalink)
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Never. i dont care if get 50 or 60 or 70 mpg. i cant even stand to look at em.
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Old 08 Jul 2010, 05:03 pm   #3 (permalink)
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I wouldn't. I ave no use for them in any form though. There are several cars on the road running on low sulfur diesel that get better mpg. And even old 4cyl gasoline cars that get about the same. My old commuter cars included a 1982 Honda Accord that got 46-47mpg, even with a bad carburetor gasket causing it to have a fuel leak. I also had a 56mpg Chevrolet diesel Chevette, and a 54mpg diesel Jetta from the 80's. Until they find a way to make a hybrid that does more than make people think hybrids are great I refuse to have one. Also, if you get into a crash and have to be cut out of the car, the high voltage wiring system is extremely dangerous to emergency workers, and dangerous to the driver. If a wire is pinched into the metal and you cone into contact with it, it is carrying enough power to kill you.































I just don't see how the benefits outweigh the drawbacks. And I'm still wondering why they could all build 50+ mpg compact cars in the 80's but have such a problem attaining those figures now.
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Old 08 Jul 2010, 05:04 pm   #4 (permalink)
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I just bought one - the 30th of October - and I really like it. If you are looking for shot-gun starts - skip the Prius. But, if you are looking for a car that gets excellent gas mileage is very comfortable and a joy to own - purchase one. I had a Subaru and traded it for my Prius - I am very happy with my decision.































I understand that they are "hard" on tires and that you only get about 20,000 miles per set - that is the downside. Also, they are a bit different to drive. But, it didn't take me long to get the hang of it, and I have really been pleased with the car.
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Old 08 Jul 2010, 05:06 pm   #5 (permalink)
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a prius isnt a car















i dont want to drive a luunchbox
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Old 08 Jul 2010, 05:09 pm   #6 (permalink)
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No. My driving is about 70% highway so I won't benefit from the increased mileage. Additionally, the cost premium to a Prius is hard to overcome especially when you consider the Li-Ion battery has a limited shelf life. A new rechargeable battery is several thousand dollars.































Vehicles I would buy before a Prius based on my overall usage and vehicle preferences:































BMW 335d (Diesel motors offer equal fuel mileage and excellent performance)















Audi A3 TDI















Ford Fusion Hybrid or Fusion 4-cylinder gas (or similar 4-cyl midsize sedan)































If I were looking for something gas efficient without the price premium of a hybrid:















Ford Fiesta due out in April 2010















Honda Fit
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Old 08 Jul 2010, 05:14 pm   #7 (permalink)
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I wouldn't unless you can afford the cost of maintaining it.It has a ton of electronics,plus the batteries would cost you at least $2500 to replace them if they go out.Green cars are good for the mpg they get,but very costly in maintaining them.
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Old 08 Jul 2010, 05:15 pm   #8 (permalink)
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I bought two. The first one I purchased for my wife and it was so good I bought one for myself. The one I drive now has over 100,000 trouble-free miles on it. My wife's has 80,000 trouble-free miles.































So let's dispense with the FUD:































1. Car XYZ gets the same, more, or about the same mpg. According to the logbook I keep, my average over the 100,000 miles is 56 mpg. (Many "I got this much" anecdotes are based on a vacation tank or two.) It's actually gone up over time, this year's vacation trip (about 2,000 miles) had the following: 51, 51, 54, 55, 59 mpg. The last four commuting fills were: 70, 64, 68, 66 mpg. So while the Prius does get lower mpg on the highway compared, it still gets really good numbers compared to old fashioned cars.































For an old fashioned car to get anywhere near these kind of numbers they have to be very small (The Prius is a mid-sized car with room for four full sized adults or you can put a bicycle or two in the back without removing the front wheels), or use an expensive to maintain and polluting diesel. (Note: I did try a modern lightweight diesel before I purchased the Prius--engine blew at 80,000 miles and even before that it cost a small fortune to maintain--never again. Lightweight and 22:1 compression just don't go together).































2. The tires wear out quickly. This is only true for the OE tires if you don't keep them inflated. Put some air in them, get the alignment done properly by a reputable frame shop, and they will last just fine. My current set of tires was put on at 83,688 miles. At 103,287 they are less than half worn--and they're aggressive all-season tires.































3. The maintenance cost is too high. Actually, the Prius' maintenance cost is very low compared to an old fashioned car. Toyota has replaced many traditional parts with more reliable electronics or has simplified them greatly. The Prius has no starter motor, no alternator, no belts (2010 model), no clutch or fluid coupling (a fluid coupling is the automatic equivalent of a clutch), and the transmission has been replaced by a simple planetary gear system similar to a differential. Most regular maintenance consists of an oil and filter change every 5,000 miles. In addition, the Prius' engine never experiences a cold start, instead the smaller motor/generator (MG) spins the engine up without fuel or spark, then adds fuel and spark to the first two cylinders and later to the second two cylinders. This gives the Prius' engine a very easy life.































4. The battery needs replacing frequently. No it doesn't. The Prius takes exceptional care of it's battery. In fact, the MTBF (mean time between failures) of the battery isn't known because there just aren't enough Prius out there with 300,000 to 400,000 miles on them.































5. The technology is too new. The Prius has been produced since model year 1997 (real year 1996) and is now in it's third generation. It's hardly new technology anymore.































6. Styling. If aerodynamic styling is your idea of ugly, then it's ugly. To me there's nothing uglier than the three-box design that every look-alike car and SUV has. I'd rather have a vehicle where the styling was based on functionality.































Some thoughts: The Prius is the thinking person's car. It's the first car in a very long time that has had some originality and thought put into it rather than just repeating the same old technology and styling with different colours and new marketing jargon to make people think they're getting something new.































The Prius' detractors have the same things to say about the Prius as the detractors of radial tires had to say thirty years ago: "Don't get the fuel economy improvement", "Don't work well on highways", "Don't work well in cities" (these last two depended on who you asked), "Too expensive", etc. Just try to find a bias-ply or bias-belted tire these days. There's always going to be Luddites carping about anything new. Just don't let it bother you.































You can always tell when the detractors don't have anything real to say because they have to fall back on "Only [minority group] will drive one".
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Old 08 Jul 2010, 05:19 pm   #9 (permalink)
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The other thing nobody seems to remember is that the Prius is built primarily for low emissions NOT for high fuel economy. It is (NHW20) an AT-PZEV (advanced technology partial zero emissions vehicle) which is a subset of the SULEV (super ultra low emissions vehicle) rating which IIRC puts out 1/10th of the emissions of a ULEV which is probably (i haven't looked it up) 1/10th of a LEV and so on. Your 80s model got high mileage but had a terrible emissions rating by today's standard and was likely only mediocre by the standards of the day.































It has been said that pouring 1 cup of gasoline on the pavement and watching it evaporate adds as much unburned HC emissions to the air as driving a Prius for 50,000 miles.































And yes, if I could afford a car more expensive than a few thousand dollars I would buy one in a heartbeat but it would likely have to be used as there probably aren't any 09's left new and I simply don't like the interior of the ZVW30 (2010) so I wouldn't have one if it were given to me free. I would trade it off for an NHW20 instead.
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One of the 2 or 3 most reliable cars built today...it just happens to get great gas mileage too, unless as someone already pointed out, you do all highway driving. I would use them in my courier business if I could benefit from the mileage. So, instead...I use another VERY reliable car - the Toyota Matrix and take them to 300,000 miles, then sell them and still get 2500.00 at trade in!
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