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Old 01 Jul 2010, 08:14 pm   #1 (permalink)
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I've narrowed my choices down to two vehicles...

The tacoma, 4L crew cab, trd offroad with towing package, or the gmc
5.3L sierra, crew cab SLE

Yah, pretty big difference...

Always loved the tacoma, but always liked a full size pickup.

Ford F150 -- had an 08, its on its way out, its junk, too many issues
Dodge Ram -- too hard on fuel, poor resale, unsure of the reliability
Tundra -- just not my cup of tea, surely a good truck, but not in my
driveway
ford ranger -- junk, chevys little POS -- overpriced for what it is
problem prone...

Some concerns I have about stepping down in to a tacoma, and maybe
someone here can comment...

Biggest one is the roomyness of the fullsize truck. Chev's are very
comfortable trucks to drive, and fairly good on fuel.. even with
compared to the compact tacoma. i drove a ford ranger for 2 years
before my F150, and i think my back hurt every night going to bed
after about the first 3 months of driving it...

Second one is towing... chev is rated at 8500, and the tacoma at 6500
w/ towing package with in itself is very impressive...

Thing i'm not sure of and maybe someone can comment, is the
reliability on the chev end... i'm just not sure its going to be close
to where toyota has taken the tacoma.

i've had the chance to drive a dodge ram for 1 month + and the same on
the chev... love both both vehicles, but they are new... the
reliability didn't have time to shnie through there.

Big trucks are hard on fuel, and hard on tires... i'm thinking the
tacoma might be easier on both.

Anyway, help me make up my mind on these two very different
vehicles..

And no, I don't tow a 5th wheel, or a camper of any sort, and not even
sure i have immediate plans to do so.

its a commuter vehicle.
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Old 01 Jul 2010, 10:18 pm   #2 (permalink)
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In article <6531bda7-612a-4970-8d40-8e3d74959b38@i28g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, Picasso <picasso.ng@gmail.com> wrote:
>I've narrowed my choices down to two vehicles...
>
>The tacoma, 4L crew cab, trd offroad with towing package, or the gmc
>5.3L sierra, crew cab SLE
>
>Yah, pretty big difference...
>
>Always loved the tacoma, but always liked a full size pickup.
>
>Ford F150 -- had an 08, its on its way out, its junk, too many issues
>Dodge Ram -- too hard on fuel, poor resale, unsure of the reliability
>Tundra -- just not my cup of tea, surely a good truck, but not in my
>driveway
>ford ranger -- junk, chevys little POS -- overpriced for what it is
>problem prone...
>
>Some concerns I have about stepping down in to a tacoma, and maybe
>someone here can comment...
>
>Biggest one is the roomyness of the fullsize truck. Chev's are very
>comfortable trucks to drive, and fairly good on fuel.. even with
>compared to the compact tacoma. i drove a ford ranger for 2 years
>before my F150, and i think my back hurt every night going to bed
>after about the first 3 months of driving it...
>
>Second one is towing... chev is rated at 8500, and the tacoma at 6500
>w/ towing package with in itself is very impressive...
>
>Thing i'm not sure of and maybe someone can comment, is the
>reliability on the chev end... i'm just not sure its going to be close
>to where toyota has taken the tacoma.
>
>i've had the chance to drive a dodge ram for 1 month + and the same on
>the chev... love both both vehicles, but they are new... the
>reliability didn't have time to shnie through there.
>
>Big trucks are hard on fuel, and hard on tires... i'm thinking the
>tacoma might be easier on both.
>
>Anyway, help me make up my mind on these two very different
>vehicles..
>
>And no, I don't tow a 5th wheel, or a camper of any sort, and not even
>sure i have immediate plans to do so.
>
>its a commuter vehicle.

go green. or is this an ego thing?
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Old 02 Jul 2010, 09:40 am   #3 (permalink)
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"Picasso" <picasso.ng@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I've narrowed my choices down to two vehicles...
>> Anyway, help me make up my mind on these two very different

> vehicles..
>
> And no, I don't tow a 5th wheel, or a camper of any sort, and not even
> sure i have immediate plans to do so.
>
> its a commuter vehicle.


How do you expect us to help you decide on two totally differant kinds of
vehicles ?

Are you going to use it to drive to work and just haul a few things or use
it like a real truck ?
You need to decide that first.

I drive about 18 miles to work each day. I get about 24 miles to the gallon.
I decided on the Tacoma extended cab in 2007 and bought a new one then. The
4 cylinder modle. I do not tow anything. I have loaded the bed level with
firewood a few times. I would not want to drive it every day with a load
like that, but for 2 or 3 trips a year it was ok. I seldom use it like a
truck but it does come in handy to haul big bulky items home from the store.

As a guy at work said, if you want a real truck get one with an 8 foot bed.
You can lay a piece of plywood flat in it.


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Old 02 Jul 2010, 11:19 am   #4 (permalink)
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On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 18:14:30 -0700, Picasso wrote:

> I've narrowed my choices down to two vehicles...
>
> The tacoma, 4L crew cab, trd offroad with towing package, or the gmc
> 5.3L sierra, crew cab SLE

[snipperoo]
> its a commuter vehicle.


What kind of parking can you count on??

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Old 02 Jul 2010, 02:53 pm   #5 (permalink)
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"Picasso" <picasso.ng@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Biggest one is the roomyness of the fullsize truck. Chev's are very
> comfortable trucks to drive, and fairly good on fuel.. even with
> compared to the compact tacoma. i drove a ford ranger for 2 years
> before my F150, and i think my back hurt every night going to bed
> after about the first 3 months of driving it...


The Ford Ranger is a compact pickup. The Tacoma was a compact. It grew to
mid-size after the 2005 redesign. Go for a test drive at the Toyota dealer.
Make sure the test truck is the same model you are interested in (i.e. TRD
double cab). Play with the lumbar support knob. Try out the back seats. You
should be able to tell right away if the seats are comfortable and if the
cab is large enough for your needs.

> Second one is towing... chev is rated at 8500, and the tacoma at 6500
> w/ towing package with in itself is very impressive...
> ...
> And no, I don't tow a 5th wheel, or a camper of any sort, and not even
> sure i have immediate plans to do so.
> its a commuter vehicle.


Will you be towing a heavy trailer at the hitch or not? The Taco is
relatively light at 4000 lbs. So while the powertrain and brakes can handle
a 6500-lb trailer, handling may be more challenging compared to a Sierra.

> Thing i'm not sure of and maybe someone can comment, is the
> reliability on the chev end... i'm just not sure its going to be close
> to where toyota has taken the tacoma.


According to JDPower, reliability is about equal for both, at 3 stars.
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...midsize-pickup
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...y/large-pickup

The study is based on surveys of 3-year-old vehicles (i.e. those purchased
in 2007). See press release:
http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/ne...spx?ID=2010034
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Old 02 Jul 2010, 04:06 pm   #6 (permalink)
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First of One wrote:
> "Picasso" <picasso.ng@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6531bda7-612a-4970-8d40-8e3d74959b38@i28g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>> Biggest one is the roomyness of the fullsize truck. Chev's are very
>> comfortable trucks to drive, and fairly good on fuel.. even with
>> compared to the compact tacoma. i drove a ford ranger for 2 years
>> before my F150, and i think my back hurt every night going to bed
>> after about the first 3 months of driving it...

>
> The Ford Ranger is a compact pickup. The Tacoma was a compact. It grew to
> mid-size after the 2005 redesign. Go for a test drive at the Toyota dealer.
> Make sure the test truck is the same model you are interested in (i.e. TRD
> double cab). Play with the lumbar support knob. Try out the back seats. You
> should be able to tell right away if the seats are comfortable and if the
> cab is large enough for your needs.
>
>> Second one is towing... chev is rated at 8500, and the tacoma at 6500
>> w/ towing package with in itself is very impressive...
>> ...
>> And no, I don't tow a 5th wheel, or a camper of any sort, and not even
>> sure i have immediate plans to do so.
>> its a commuter vehicle.

>
> Will you be towing a heavy trailer at the hitch or not? The Taco is
> relatively light at 4000 lbs. So while the powertrain and brakes can handle
> a 6500-lb trailer, handling may be more challenging compared to a Sierra.
>
>> Thing i'm not sure of and maybe someone can comment, is the
>> reliability on the chev end... i'm just not sure its going to be close
>> to where toyota has taken the tacoma.

>
> According to JDPower, reliability is about equal for both, at 3 stars.
> http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...midsize-pickup
> http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...y/large-pickup
>
> The study is based on surveys of 3-year-old vehicles (i.e. those purchased
> in 2007). See press release:
> http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/ne...spx?ID=2010034


Well thanks, this is the kind of info i have been searching for.

Style, size, power, towing i lean towards the gmc sierra, but i don't
need the towing, thats for sure. Thing is, spending 30k on a truck i
want all the options it can give.

fuel economy, and hopefully reliability and reduced repair makes me lean
on the tacoma.

I plan on keeping this thing for 10 years and I am just not sure I will
be suited with the repair bill on the GMC after the first good 5 is out
of it... but i might be wrong!

Plus the tacoma gives me that little bit of extra fuel economy which
isn't as important now with gas "down" but perhaps in 3 years when she
jumps 40% again it may be.

i'm buying a truck for 10 years, not a lease for 3...

Anyway, I wish the dealer would let me keep a tacoma for a weekend...
like I said, i've long term test driven a silverado and a dodge 1/2ton,
and currently own a ford f150.

thanks for the links
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Old 04 Jul 2010, 05:42 am   #7 (permalink)
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my 0.02 worth
I drove full size trucks chevys/gmcs 4x4 and 5.3 liter engines.
When i bought my tacoma it was because they gave me best deal.
this was in april of 08 when gas was 4.00 + a gallon.
Do i miss the full size of a truck YES, BUT i love the tacoma.
My truck is a daily driver and I dont use it to tow or haul, I just have
always owned trucks.
I am the type of truck owner that ppl love to get a hold when i sell, as
i do the maint. faithfully and trade or sale with low mileage.
I have a 08 double cab 4x4 sr5 trd and for me the room in it is just
right for the wife and me.
PLUS tacoma has a higher resale value.

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Old 04 Jul 2010, 07:27 am   #8 (permalink)
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Charles H. wrote:
> my 0.02 worth
> I drove full size trucks chevys/gmcs 4x4 and 5.3 liter engines.
> When i bought my tacoma it was because they gave me best deal.
> this was in april of 08 when gas was 4.00 + a gallon.
> Do i miss the full size of a truck YES, BUT i love the tacoma.
> My truck is a daily driver and I dont use it to tow or haul, I just have
> always owned trucks.
> I am the type of truck owner that ppl love to get a hold when i sell, as
> i do the maint. faithfully and trade or sale with low mileage.
> I have a 08 double cab 4x4 sr5 trd and for me the room in it is just
> right for the wife and me.
> PLUS tacoma has a higher resale value.
>


All good points.
Prior to my F150, I had a ranger which i think for those 2 years i owned
it gave me constant back pain... after the f150, it was no longer an
issue. I'm not tall, only about 6', but the ranger seating just didn't
fit me. How do you find the TRD seating. I know its not going to
compare to the GM, but is it at least comfortable long term? I can't
find this out from a 30 minute test drive, and i can't find a tacoma to
rent here anywhere for a weekend.

The ranger was so rough, i tried changing the springs, all shocks,
thought about changing seats but couldn't find anything much better...
looking back they should sell those trucks with a kidney belt.


Whats your difference in fuel mileage? I've been using info from
www.fueleconomy.gov and for every vehicle i've ever checked its been
very close to actual.
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Old 04 Jul 2010, 11:12 am   #9 (permalink)
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On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:06:52 -0300, Picasso wrote:

>>> Thing i'm not sure of and maybe someone can comment, is the
>>> reliability on the chev end... i'm just not sure its going to be close
>>> to where toyota has taken the tacoma.

>>
>> According to JDPower, reliability is about equal for both, at 3 stars.
>> http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...s-by-category/

midsize-pickup
>> http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...s-by-category/

large-pickup
>>
>> The study is based on surveys of 3-year-old vehicles (i.e. those
>> purchased in 2007). See press release:
>> http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/ne...spx?ID=2010034

>
> Well thanks, this is the kind of info i have been searching for.
>
> Style, size, power, towing i lean towards the gmc sierra, but i don't
> need the towing, thats for sure. Thing is, spending 30k on a truck i
> want all the options it can give.
>
> fuel economy, and hopefully reliability and reduced repair makes me lean
> on the tacoma.
>
> I plan on keeping this thing for 10 years and I am just not sure I will
> be suited with the repair bill on the GMC after the first good 5 is out
> of it... but i might be wrong!
>
> Plus the tacoma gives me that little bit of extra fuel economy which
> isn't as important now with gas "down" but perhaps in 3 years when she
> jumps 40% again it may be.
>
> i'm buying a truck for 10 years, not a lease for 3...
>
> Anyway, I wish the dealer would let me keep a tacoma for a weekend...
> like I said, i've long term test driven a silverado and a dodge 1/2ton,
> and currently own a ford f150.
>
> thanks for the links


The plural of anecdote is not data, but fwiw my 1988 corolla
hatchback, with a little over 125K miles, and routine preventive
maintenance, has never had a major repair. It ran like a top yesterday.

My impression has long been that Toyotas have a name for lasting
well -- I hear of ones with 200K miles. That's cars, too, not just trucks.
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Old 04 Jul 2010, 12:07 pm   #10 (permalink)
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"BeartoothHOS" <beartooth@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> The plural of anecdote is not data, but fwiw my 1988 corolla
> hatchback, with a little over 125K miles, and routine preventive
> maintenance, has never had a major repair. It ran like a top yesterday.
>
> My impression has long been that Toyotas have a name for lasting
> well -- I hear of ones with 200K miles. That's cars, too, not just trucks.
> --


I only put a little over 190 K miles on a 91 Camry. Outside of minor things
like break pads and lightbulbs that normally just wear out, the only
nonscheduled item was a sensor that went out that cost around $ 1200 by the
time the Toyota dealer replaced the correct one. They replaced several
others and charged me for their incompendance.
Even the airconditioner still worked fine without any repairs.

I bought a 2007 Tacoma 2 wheel drive with the extended cab. It rides very
well . About the longest trip I have made with it was around 100 miles and
I drive it to work every day. Get around 24 miles per gallon with the 4
cylinder. I do not use it like a truck very often,but have hauled a cople
of loads of wood with it.



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