4runner 2003 Replacing only one tire

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Old 25 Aug 2010, 08:06 pm   #1 (permalink)
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Hi, For the second time in 2 years I got a nail through the tire too
close to the sidewall for repair. First time I replaced all 4 tires. Now
its supposed to be bad to put a new tire on with 3 half worn ,
recommended to replace 2 rear, preferably all 4. that's pushing $800 for
a set, effectively throwing away 3 good tires. So can anyone tell me why
its such a bad idea? (Spares a different brand with full tread) Surely
the drivetrain compensates for the different wheel rotations in normal
driving anyway so why the problem? Traction control should compensate
for the worn tire slipping? Don't suggest part worn tires from
resellers, they are all crap. JC
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Old 25 Aug 2010, 09:48 pm   #2 (permalink)
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In article <Ddido.52647$Yn5.47698@en-nntp-14.dc1.easynews.com>, Archon <Chipbee40_SpamNo@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Hi, For the second time in 2 years I got a nail through the tire too
>close to the sidewall for repair. First time I replaced all 4 tires. Now
>its supposed to be bad to put a new tire on with 3 half worn ,
>recommended to replace 2 rear, preferably all 4. that's pushing $800 for
>a set, effectively throwing away 3 good tires. So can anyone tell me why
>its such a bad idea? (Spares a different brand with full tread) Surely
>the drivetrain compensates for the different wheel rotations in normal
>driving anyway so why the problem? Traction control should compensate
>for the worn tire slipping? Don't suggest part worn tires from
>resellers, they are all crap. JC


i've replaced single tires on my toy's for years. never had a problem.
i would put the new one plus the best of the three on the front and not worry
about it.
$800 for for tires? geez, i get 4 nice michelins at best buy for a bit over
half that. or costco.
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Old 26 Aug 2010, 12:10 am   #3 (permalink)
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"Archon" <Chipbee40_SpamNo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Hi, For the second time in 2 years I got a nail through the tire too close
> to the sidewall for repair. First time I replaced all 4 tires. Now its
> supposed to be bad to put a new tire on with 3 half worn , recommended to
> replace 2 rear, preferably all 4. that's pushing $800 for a set,
> effectively throwing away 3 good tires. So can anyone tell me why its such
> a bad idea? (Spares a different brand with full tread) Surely the
> drivetrain compensates for the different wheel rotations in normal driving
> anyway so why the problem? Traction control should compensate for the worn
> tire slipping?


Don't want different-sized tires in the front, because it may cause the
steering to pull to the smaller-wheeled side when driving. Having different
sized-tires in the rear theoretically increases wear in the rear diff, but
the tires have to be vastly different, like when using a compact spare.
Simply having different tread depths shouldn't cause noticeably more wear in
the diff.

> Don't suggest part worn tires from resellers, they are all crap. JC


Indeed. Safety-critical parts like tires should not be bought used. Don't
want a blowout due to some undetected tire defect.


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Old 26 Aug 2010, 12:38 am   #4 (permalink)
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 00:10:52 -0400, "First of One" <root@127.0.0.1>
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>"Archon" <Chipbee40_SpamNo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>newsdido.52647$Yn5.47698@en-nntp-14.dc1.easynews.com...
>> Hi, For the second time in 2 years I got a nail through the tire too close
>> to the sidewall for repair. First time I replaced all 4 tires. Now its
>> supposed to be bad to put a new tire on with 3 half worn , recommended to
>> replace 2 rear, preferably all 4. that's pushing $800 for a set,
>> effectively throwing away 3 good tires. So can anyone tell me why its such
>> a bad idea? (Spares a different brand with full tread) Surely the
>> drivetrain compensates for the different wheel rotations in normal driving
>> anyway so why the problem? Traction control should compensate for the worn
>> tire slipping?

>
>Don't want different-sized tires in the front, because it may cause the
>steering to pull to the smaller-wheeled side when driving. Having different
>sized-tires in the rear theoretically increases wear in the rear diff, but
>the tires have to be vastly different, like when using a compact spare.
>Simply having different tread depths shouldn't cause noticeably more wear in
>the diff.
>
>> Don't suggest part worn tires from resellers, they are all crap. JC

>
>Indeed. Safety-critical parts like tires should not be bought used. Don't
>want a blowout due to some undetected tire defect.
>

BS.
What's the difference between the tires YOU need to throw away because
you need one new one, and the 3 some other poor sucker had to throw
away for the same reason.?
Absolutely NOTHING.
Check the date codes to be sure you are not buying a 10 year old tire
- get one that matches, with roughly the same tread wear and go for
it!!!
Putting one new one on a drive axle with a half worn one isn't a REAL
serious issue if you have an open rear end and no traction control -
but with Posi, it can ruin the diff - and with traction control , and
even just ABS , it CAN cause significant issues. Not saying it WILL -
but in many cases in the past, it HAS.
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Old 26 Aug 2010, 07:03 am   #5 (permalink)
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On 8/26/2010 12:38 AM, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 00:10:52 -0400, "First of One"<root@127.0.0.1>
> wrote:
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>> "Archon"<Chipbee40_SpamNo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> newsdido.52647$Yn5.47698@en-nntp-14.dc1.easynews.com...
>>> Hi, For the second time in 2 years I got a nail through the tire too close
>>> to the sidewall for repair. First time I replaced all 4 tires. Now its
>>> supposed to be bad to put a new tire on with 3 half worn , recommended to
>>> replace 2 rear, preferably all 4. that's pushing $800 for a set,
>>> effectively throwing away 3 good tires. So can anyone tell me why its such
>>> a bad idea? (Spares a different brand with full tread) Surely the
>>> drivetrain compensates for the different wheel rotations in normal driving
>>> anyway so why the problem? Traction control should compensate for the worn
>>> tire slipping?

>>
>> Don't want different-sized tires in the front, because it may cause the
>> steering to pull to the smaller-wheeled side when driving. Having different
>> sized-tires in the rear theoretically increases wear in the rear diff, but
>> the tires have to be vastly different, like when using a compact spare.
>> Simply having different tread depths shouldn't cause noticeably more wear in
>> the diff.
>>
>>> Don't suggest part worn tires from resellers, they are all crap. JC

>>
>> Indeed. Safety-critical parts like tires should not be bought used. Don't
>> want a blowout due to some undetected tire defect.
>>

> BS.
> What's the difference between the tires YOU need to throw away because
> you need one new one, and the 3 some other poor sucker had to throw
> away for the same reason.?
> Absolutely NOTHING.


I would agree with you, but it seems I always receive a tire with an
patch that is outside of the recommended repair area. It seems these
resellers won't turn down tires that should be scrapped when as you say
there should be plenty of serviceable tires available.
JC
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Old 26 Aug 2010, 07:05 am   #6 (permalink)
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On 8/25/2010 9:48 PM, someone@some.domain wrote:
> In article<Ddido.52647$Yn5.47698@en-nntp-14.dc1.easynews.com>, Archon<Chipbee40_SpamNo@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hi, For the second time in 2 years I got a nail through the tire too
>> close to the sidewall for repair. First time I replaced all 4 tires. Now
>> its supposed to be bad to put a new tire on with 3 half worn ,
>> recommended to replace 2 rear, preferably all 4. that's pushing $800 for
>> a set, effectively throwing away 3 good tires. So can anyone tell me why
>> its such a bad idea? (Spares a different brand with full tread) Surely
>> the drivetrain compensates for the different wheel rotations in normal
>> driving anyway so why the problem? Traction control should compensate
>> for the worn tire slipping? Don't suggest part worn tires from
>> resellers, they are all crap. JC

>
> i've replaced single tires on my toy's for years. never had a problem.
> i would put the new one plus the best of the three on the front and not worry
> about it.
> $800 for for tires? geez, i get 4 nice michelins at best buy for a bit over
> half that. or costco.


Michelin P265/65R17 run from $205-$226 each at my Costco, you might get
$70 off a full set if lucky
JC
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Old 26 Aug 2010, 07:07 am   #7 (permalink)
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On 8/26/2010 12:38 AM, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 00:10:52 -0400, "First of One"<root@127.0.0.1>
> wrote:
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>> "Archon"<Chipbee40_SpamNo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> newsdido.52647$Yn5.47698@en-nntp-14.dc1.easynews.com...
>>> Hi, For the second time in 2 years I got a nail through the tire too close
>>> to the sidewall for repair. First time I replaced all 4 tires. Now its
>>> supposed to be bad to put a new tire on with 3 half worn , recommended to
>>> replace 2 rear, preferably all 4. that's pushing $800 for a set,
>>> effectively throwing away 3 good tires. So can anyone tell me why its such
>>> a bad idea? (Spares a different brand with full tread) Surely the
>>> drivetrain compensates for the different wheel rotations in normal driving
>>> anyway so why the problem? Traction control should compensate for the worn
>>> tire slipping?

>>
>> Don't want different-sized tires in the front, because it may cause the
>> steering to pull to the smaller-wheeled side when driving. Having different
>> sized-tires in the rear theoretically increases wear in the rear diff, but
>> the tires have to be vastly different, like when using a compact spare.
>> Simply having different tread depths shouldn't cause noticeably more wear in
>> the diff.
>>
>>> Don't suggest part worn tires from resellers, they are all crap. JC

>>
>> Indeed. Safety-critical parts like tires should not be bought used. Don't
>> want a blowout due to some undetected tire defect.
>>

> BS.
> What's the difference between the tires YOU need to throw away because
> you need one new one, and the 3 some other poor sucker had to throw
> away for the same reason.?
> Absolutely NOTHING.
> Check the date codes to be sure you are not buying a 10 year old tire
> - get one that matches, with roughly the same tread wear and go for
> it!!!
> Putting one new one on a drive axle with a half worn one isn't a REAL
> serious issue if you have an open rear end and no traction control -
> but with Posi, it can ruin the diff - and with traction control , and
> even just ABS , it CAN cause significant issues. Not saying it WILL -
> but in many cases in the past, it HAS.

Thats my point, the 2003 4Runner is fulltime 4WD with traction/stability
control
JC
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Old 26 Aug 2010, 08:57 am   #8 (permalink)
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Replace the two and make the good tire your spare. I would recommend if
you have a vehicle that must have the same tread style and depth put all
five tire in rotation so if you have this problem the spare is ready to
go.


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Old 26 Aug 2010, 10:48 am   #9 (permalink)
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Archon <Chipbee40_SpamNo@yahoo.com> found these unused words:

>Hi, For the second time in 2 years I got a nail through the tire too
>close to the sidewall for repair. First time I replaced all 4 tires. Now
>its supposed to be bad to put a new tire on with 3 half worn ,
>recommended to replace 2 rear, preferably all 4. that's pushing $800 for
>a set, effectively throwing away 3 good tires. So can anyone tell me why
>its such a bad idea? (Spares a different brand with full tread) Surely
>the drivetrain compensates for the different wheel rotations in normal
>driving anyway so why the problem? Traction control should compensate
>for the worn tire slipping? Don't suggest part worn tires from
>resellers, they are all crap. JC


Bring your spare into play, have it and the new mounted for the front. Best
of the 3 for the rear, last for the spare.

I always replace in pairs, but use the spare [if 'new'] as the 2nd.

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Old 26 Aug 2010, 11:15 am   #10 (permalink)
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 07:03:05 -0400, Archon
<Chipbee40_SpamNo@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On 8/26/2010 12:38 AM, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 00:10:52 -0400, "First of One"<root@127.0.0.1>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Archon"<Chipbee40_SpamNo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> newsdido.52647$Yn5.47698@en-nntp-14.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>> Hi, For the second time in 2 years I got a nail through the tire too close
>>>> to the sidewall for repair. First time I replaced all 4 tires. Now its
>>>> supposed to be bad to put a new tire on with 3 half worn , recommended to
>>>> replace 2 rear, preferably all 4. that's pushing $800 for a set,
>>>> effectively throwing away 3 good tires. So can anyone tell me why its such
>>>> a bad idea? (Spares a different brand with full tread) Surely the
>>>> drivetrain compensates for the different wheel rotations in normal driving
>>>> anyway so why the problem? Traction control should compensate for the worn
>>>> tire slipping?
>>>
>>> Don't want different-sized tires in the front, because it may cause the
>>> steering to pull to the smaller-wheeled side when driving. Having different
>>> sized-tires in the rear theoretically increases wear in the rear diff, but
>>> the tires have to be vastly different, like when using a compact spare.
>>> Simply having different tread depths shouldn't cause noticeably more wear in
>>> the diff.
>>>
>>>> Don't suggest part worn tires from resellers, they are all crap. JC
>>>
>>> Indeed. Safety-critical parts like tires should not be bought used. Don't
>>> want a blowout due to some undetected tire defect.
>>>

>> BS.
>> What's the difference between the tires YOU need to throw away because
>> you need one new one, and the 3 some other poor sucker had to throw
>> away for the same reason.?
>> Absolutely NOTHING.

>
>I would agree with you, but it seems I always receive a tire with an
>patch that is outside of the recommended repair area. It seems these
>resellers won't turn down tires that should be scrapped when as you say
>there should be plenty of serviceable tires available.
>JC

You can always look for patches - you don't HAVE to buy what is
offered.
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