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john 01 Oct 2009 08:40 pm

Brakes unable to stop runaway Lexus in California?
 
So slamming on the brakes enough to cause tires to catch fire still
can't stop the car? That's scary!

"In a 911 call, one of the passengers said the Lexus was speeding at
120 m.p.h., and witnesses said the carís tires were on fire when it
crashed Ė possibly from the driver slamming on the brakes."

http://www.freep.com/article/2009093...k-accelerators


Jeff Strickland 01 Oct 2009 09:01 pm

Re: Brakes unable to stop runaway Lexus in California?
 

"john" <johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:856b26a6-caca-4e44-959b-7f014e36a29c@r24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
So slamming on the brakes enough to cause tires to catch fire still
can't stop the car? That's scary!

"In a 911 call, one of the passengers said the Lexus was speeding at
120 m.p.h., and witnesses said the carís tires were on fire when it
crashed Ė possibly from the driver slamming on the brakes."

http://www.freep.com/article/2009093...k-accelerators


<JS>
I'm thinking the driver must have rode the brakes far longer than was
needed to stop the car. I have to wonder how ling it took him to figure out
that the gas pedal was stuck ...


</JS>





Adam 01 Oct 2009 11:34 pm

Re: Brakes unable to stop runaway Lexus in California?
 
On Oct 1, 8:40*pm, john <johngd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> So slamming on the brakes enough to cause tires to catch fire still
> can't stop the car? That's scary!
>
> "In a 911 call, one of the passengers said the Lexus was speeding at
> 120 m.p.h., and witnesses said the carís tires were on fire when it
> crashed Ė possibly from the driver slamming on the brakes."
>
> http://www.freep.com/article/2009093...004/1315/Toyot...


If you have a runaway, turn on your fourway blinkers to telegraph your
fellow drivers you have a situation.Throw the shift into Neutral
(Notice that N is right next to D and you can usually shift into it
without pressing that shift button). Change into the right lane with a
suitable shoulder and coast or brake down to a safe slow speed.
Transfer into the shoulder and then stop. Turn off car. Breathe. Try
to correct any correctable condition. Loose water bottles tend to roll
under the accel pedal as well.

I am an advocate of driving refresher courses and people doing EVOC
courses. You be surprised how stupid people get after 6 months passing
their driving exam.

CEG 02 Oct 2009 12:37 am

Re: Brakes unable to stop runaway Lexus in California?
 
On Oct 1, 11:34*pm, Adam <adam.vazq...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 1, 8:40*pm, john <johngd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > So slamming on the brakes enough to cause tires to catch fire still
> > can't stop the car? That's scary!

>
> > "In a 911 call, one of the passengers said the Lexus was speeding at
> > 120 m.p.h., and witnesses said the carís tires were on fire when it
> > crashed Ė possibly from the driver slamming on the brakes."

>
> >http://www.freep.com/article/2009093...004/1315/Toyot...

>
> If you have a runaway, turn on your fourway blinkers to telegraph your
> fellow drivers you have a situation.Throw the shift into Neutral
> (Notice that N is right next to D and you can usually shift into it
> without pressing that shift button). Change into the right lane with a
> suitable shoulder and coast or brake down to a safe slow speed.
> Transfer into the shoulder and then stop. Turn off car. Breathe. Try
> to correct any correctable condition. Loose water bottles tend to roll
> under the accel pedal as well.
>
> I am an advocate of driving refresher courses and people doing EVOC
> courses. You be surprised how stupid people get after 6 months passing
> their driving exam.


I wonder if they even tried to turn off the ignition at all. That is
all that is needed to stop a runaway car.

Adam 02 Oct 2009 02:04 am

Re: Brakes unable to stop runaway Lexus in California?
 

> I wonder if they even tried to turn off the ignition at all. That is
> all that is needed to stop a runaway car.


Your age is showing. Some of the cars with those RFID chips inside the
keys you cant do that. At least with those cars with the Press to
Start button can kill the motor, but you have to read the manual
first. Some you have to hold the start button , some you have to press
twice. confusing aint it?

Turning off the ignition by turning the ignition key is not
necessarily the best way to stop a runaway. Most people twist the key
striaght to locking the steering column, making a bad situation worse.

The driver of that MVA was not the owner of the car, making the
situation worse, driving a unfamiliar car. Best practice with such an
auto is to throw it into neutral and let the rev limiter engage when
the engine red-lines.

Oldphart 02 Oct 2009 04:14 am

Re: Brakes unable to stop runaway Lexus in California?
 
Adam wrote:
>> I wonder if they even tried to turn off the ignition at all. That is
>> all that is needed to stop a runaway car.

>
> Your age is showing. Some of the cars with those RFID chips inside the
> keys you cant do that. At least with those cars with the Press to
> Start button can kill the motor, but you have to read the manual
> first. Some you have to hold the start button , some you have to press
> twice. confusing aint it?
>
> Turning off the ignition by turning the ignition key is not
> necessarily the best way to stop a runaway. Most people twist the key
> striaght to locking the steering column, making a bad situation worse.
>
> The driver of that MVA was not the owner of the car, making the
> situation worse, driving a unfamiliar car. Best practice with such an
> auto is to throw it into neutral and let the rev limiter engage when
> the engine red-lines.

......and when you turn the ignition off, does the steering wheel lock?
If you are still traveling at a high rate of speed, adding another
thrill is not what one would want.....

CEG 02 Oct 2009 06:41 am

Re: Brakes unable to stop runaway Lexus in California?
 
On Oct 2, 2:04*am, Adam <adam.vazq...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I wonder if they even tried to turn off the ignition at all. That is
> > all that is needed to stop a runaway car.

>
> Your age is showing. Some of the cars with those RFID chips inside the
> keys you cant do that. At least with those cars with the Press to
> Start button can kill the motor, but you have to read the manual
> first. Some you have to hold the start button , some you have to press
> twice. confusing aint it?


Are they making cars that difficult where you actually have to read
the manual to use it?? It seems to me they need to make it easier to
shut a vehicle down.

>
> Turning off the ignition by turning the ignition key *is not
> necessarily the best way to stop a runaway. Most people twist the key
> striaght to locking the steering column, making a bad situation worse.
>



If the car is in gear you can't turn the key to the lock position

Sir F. A. Rien 02 Oct 2009 11:16 am

Re: Brakes unable to stop runaway Lexus in California?
 
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> found these unused words:

>
>"john" <johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:856b26a6-caca-4e44-959b-7f014e36a29c@r24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>So slamming on the brakes enough to cause tires to catch fire still
>can't stop the car? That's scary!
>
>"In a 911 call, one of the passengers said the Lexus was speeding at
>120 m.p.h., and witnesses said the carís tires were on fire when it
>crashed Ė possibly from the driver slamming on the brakes."
>
>http://www.freep.com/article/2009093...k-accelerators
>
>
><JS>
>I'm thinking the driver must have rode the brakes far longer than was
>needed to stop the car. I have to wonder how ling it took him to figure out
>that the gas pedal was stuck ...



I wonder why none of the CAFA idiots had the brains to either shift out of
gear [to hell with a blown engine] or just turn OFF the ignition!

Shows the 'quality' of current driver education in CAFA Land ... !


clare@snyder.on.ca 02 Oct 2009 11:24 am

Re: Brakes unable to stop runaway Lexus in California?
 
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 23:04:09 -0700 (PDT), Adam <adam.vazquez@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>> I wonder if they even tried to turn off the ignition at all. That is
>> all that is needed to stop a runaway car.

>
>Your age is showing. Some of the cars with those RFID chips inside the
>keys you cant do that. At least with those cars with the Press to
>Start button can kill the motor, but you have to read the manual
>first. Some you have to hold the start button , some you have to press
>twice. confusing aint it?
>
>Turning off the ignition by turning the ignition key is not
>necessarily the best way to stop a runaway. Most people twist the key
>striaght to locking the steering column, making a bad situation worse.
>
>The driver of that MVA was not the owner of the car, making the
>situation worse, driving a unfamiliar car. Best practice with such an
>auto is to throw it into neutral and let the rev limiter engage when
>the engine red-lines.


Won't even get close to redline. It will bounce around at 3500RPM in
neutral.

Jeff Strickland 02 Oct 2009 09:46 pm

Re: Brakes unable to stop runaway Lexus in California?
 

"Sir F. A. Rien" <jaSPAMc@gbr.online.com> wrote in message
news:076cc5hmd9h982i9caad846od7i8iijdti@4ax.com...
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> found these unused words:
>
>>
>>"john" <johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:856b26a6-caca-4e44-959b-7f014e36a29c@r24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>So slamming on the brakes enough to cause tires to catch fire still
>>can't stop the car? That's scary!
>>
>>"In a 911 call, one of the passengers said the Lexus was speeding at
>>120 m.p.h., and witnesses said the carís tires were on fire when it
>>crashed Ė possibly from the driver slamming on the brakes."
>>
>>http://www.freep.com/article/2009093...k-accelerators
>>
>>
>><JS>
>>I'm thinking the driver must have rode the brakes far longer than was
>>needed to stop the car. I have to wonder how ling it took him to figure
>>out
>>that the gas pedal was stuck ...

>
>
> I wonder why none of the CAFA idiots had the brains to either shift out of
> gear [to hell with a blown engine] or just turn OFF the ignition!
>
> Shows the 'quality' of current driver education in CAFA Land ... !
>



CAFA?

The driver was a CHP officer, one likes to think he would have been trained
on stopping a car in an emergency.









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