91 SR5 4x4 won't turn over

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Old 01 Oct 2009, 10:25 pm   #1 (permalink)
Susan
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Default 91 SR5 4x4 won't turn over

Hey folks,

1991 SR5 4x4 Truck

Kept in excellent condition. Parked it in the backyard and didn't
happen to drive it for about 10 weeks. Had a solar charger attached to
battery. Went to start it and nothing. Doesn't click, doesn't turn
over, doesn't make a sound. The battery is fully charged (checked it
with a battery charger) and the warning lights come on when I turn the
key to the on position. Also has auto door locks and they spring up
and down with the keyfob nice and strong, plus the headlights work.

Things I checked:

Not in gear
Placed foot on brake when I tried to start it
Alarm system is off as it should be
Wheels are not turned
Plenty of gas
Distrubtor cap, wires and plugs under 1yr old
Battery newer and terminals totally clean

It was driving perfectly when I parked it last, and has not had any
problems with starting or even intermittent problems starting.

So with the battery good and strong, and NOTHING when I turn the key,
are we looking at a starter that just died? Is that how they go? All
at once?

Thanks for any guidance.
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Old 02 Oct 2009, 01:53 am   #2 (permalink)
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check your fuses first ,if not that it could be two of the batteries
plates touching together when you try to start the motor,which will create a
dead short ,i would try another battery first before the starter motor


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Old 02 Oct 2009, 03:19 am   #3 (permalink)
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Susan wrote:
> Hey folks,
>
> 1991 SR5 4x4 Truck
>
> Kept in excellent condition. Parked it in the backyard and didn't
> happen to drive it for about 10 weeks. Had a solar charger attached to
> battery. Went to start it and nothing. Doesn't click, doesn't turn
> over, doesn't make a sound. The battery is fully charged (checked it
> with a battery charger) and the warning lights come on when I turn the
> key to the on position. Also has auto door locks and they spring up
> and down with the keyfob nice and strong, plus the headlights work.
>
> Things I checked:
>
> Not in gear
> Placed foot on brake when I tried to start it
> Alarm system is off as it should be
> Wheels are not turned
> Plenty of gas
> Distrubtor cap, wires and plugs under 1yr old
> Battery newer and terminals totally clean
>
> It was driving perfectly when I parked it last, and has not had any
> problems with starting or even intermittent problems starting.
>
> So with the battery good and strong, and NOTHING when I turn the key,
> are we looking at a starter that just died? Is that how they go? All
> at once?
>
> Thanks for any guidance.

A simple test requiring two people. Turn the headlights on, have
someone in front watching them. Next, turn on the ignition and attempt
to start the engine. Did the headlights turn off or even dim? If they
turned off, the battery connections may be opening up. If they dimmed,
check the level of electrolyte in the battery and make sure the plates
are covered.
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Old 02 Oct 2009, 06:15 pm   #4 (permalink)
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Is it a 5 Speed? Did you remember to push the clutch in, or push the
Clutch Bypass Button? (10 weeks is a long time...)

The CONTACTS inside the starter are a common problem, and a (relatively)
easy $10 fix. See: http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/maintenance/starter/
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Old 02 Oct 2009, 09:20 pm   #5 (permalink)
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On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 16:15:18 -0700, Jeff <Not@dot.net> wrote:

>Is it a 5 Speed? Did you remember to push the clutch in, or push the
>Clutch Bypass Button? (10 weeks is a long time...)


Automatic.

>The CONTACTS inside the starter are a common problem, and a (relatively)
>easy $10 fix. See: http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/maintenance/starter/


Thanks, I'll keep this handy in case it look like a starter problem!
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Old 02 Oct 2009, 09:23 pm   #6 (permalink)
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On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:53:28 +0800, "snow" <snow@suchas.com.au> wrote:

>check your fuses first ,if not that it could be two of the batteries
>plates touching together when you try to start the motor,which will create a
>dead short ,i would try another battery first before the starter motor
>


And this would be the case even if the battery was working fine
before, is fully charged, and is fairly new? (But swapping batteries
is a good idea...! Maybe I could try the battery out of my folks 2001
Toyota Highlander.) Still, it seems like if it was a battery problem,
the battery would be low, dead or old. ?

IAC will try more stuff tomorrow, but was busy today all day, and now
it's dark.
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Old 02 Oct 2009, 09:39 pm   #7 (permalink)
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On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 02:19:31 -0600, Oldphart
<mfj1952deletethis@cox.net> wrote:


>A simple test requiring two people. Turn the headlights on, have
>someone in front watching them. Next, turn on the ignition and attempt
>to start the engine. Did the headlights turn off or even dim? If they
>turned off, the battery connections may be opening up. If they dimmed,
>check the level of electrolyte in the battery and make sure the plates
>are covered.


I meant to do this test today but was busy all day. Maybe I'll go try
that now... it's dark so would be easier to see if they dim! Hold on,
be right back....

Okay, the headlights did not dim even in the slightest. And again, the
truck makes no sound whatsoever when I turn the key. Not a peep.

The electrolyte is where it belongs, just below the fill caps, and
above the plates.

(I appreciate everyone's help!)
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Old 03 Oct 2009, 03:46 pm   #8 (permalink)
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Since it's an automatic, the problem COULD be the Neutral Interlock
Switch. Located on the transmission, it prevents the starter from
engaging in any gear except Park (or Neutral).

The shifter IS in Park (or Neutral), right? Have you wiggled the
shifter while you attempt to start it?

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Old 03 Oct 2009, 11:24 pm   #9 (permalink)
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On Oct 1, 8:25*pm, Susan <su...@rooftop.com> wrote:
> Hey folks,
>
> 1991 SR5 4x4 Truck
>
> Kept in excellent condition. Parked it in the backyard and didn't
> happen to drive it for about 10 weeks. Had a solar charger attached to
> battery. Went to start it and nothing. Doesn't click, doesn't turn
> over, doesn't make a sound. The battery is fully charged (checked it
> with a battery charger) and the warning lights come on when I turn the
> key to the on position. Also has auto door locks and they spring up
> and down with the keyfob nice and strong, plus the headlights work.
>
> Things I checked:
>
> Not in gear
> Placed foot on brake when I tried to start it
> Alarm system is off as it should be
> Wheels are not turned
> Plenty of gas
> Distrubtor cap, wires and plugs under 1yr old
> Battery newer and terminals totally clean
>
> It was driving perfectly when I parked it last, and has not had any
> problems with starting or even intermittent problems starting.
>
> So with the battery good and strong, and NOTHING when I turn the key,
> are we looking at a starter that just died? Is that how they go? All
> at once?
>
> Thanks for any guidance.


I'd try jump starting first. That will rule out the battery. Also
try putting the transmission in neutral and starting, also back in
park. You may have to check the contacts on the neutral start
switch. Another thing to check is the starter relay. Usually a green
relay either under the hood or behind the driver's side kick panel
depending on the year. The starter contacts are a common problem but
you should hear the click of the starter relay and the click of the
starter solenoid if they were the problem.
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Old 04 Oct 2009, 12:08 am   #10 (permalink)
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On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 13:46:17 -0700, Jeff <Not@dot.net> wrote:

>Since it's an automatic, the problem COULD be the Neutral Interlock
>Switch. Located on the transmission, it prevents the starter from
>engaging in any gear except Park (or Neutral).
>
>The shifter IS in Park (or Neutral), right? Have you wiggled the
>shifter while you attempt to start it?


It was in park and I moved it out, then back in. Tomorrow I will try
putting it in Neutral to start (just to see) and then will try
jiggling while in Park to see if there is any response.

I live with my folks who are elderly and have been very busy with them
the last two days (and will be again tomorrow) so I haven't had the
time to devote to this that I planned on when I first made the post!
So I apologize for not being quicker with responses! Thanks again for
helping.
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