Re: 91 SR5 4x4 won't turn over

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Old 18 Oct 2009, 11:43 pm   #1 (permalink)
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Susan wrote:
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> It makes me sick. The only people who should have older cars are
> people who know how to work on them. Taking an old car to a shop,
> especially if you are a woman, is almost a guarantee of getting ripped
> off, even when you educate yourself to avoid it!


Well, that's mostly true. However, it has nothing to do with being a
woman. And, it's a lesson most of us have learned.

And, educating yourself CAN help. You're learning about "standard
practices" in the industry, the hard way, by examining the bloody pieces
left after surgery. Only a custom, specialty shop will "spec" rebuild
your starter. A mainline shop will replace it with a good rebuilt, for
the flat rate. Done deed. You're lucky it's not a Delco-Remy replacement!
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Old 19 Oct 2009, 12:20 pm   #2 (permalink)
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Jeff wrote:
> Susan wrote:
> ...
> > It makes me sick. The only people who should have older cars are
> > people who know how to work on them. Taking an old car to a shop,
> > especially if you are a woman, is almost a guarantee of getting ripped
> > off, even when you educate yourself to avoid it!

>
> Well, that's mostly true. However, it has nothing to do with being a
> woman. And, it's a lesson most of us have learned.
>
> And, educating yourself CAN help. You're learning about "standard
> practices" in the industry, the hard way, by examining the bloody pieces
> left after surgery. Only a custom, specialty shop will "spec" rebuild
> your starter. A mainline shop will replace it with a good rebuilt, for
> the flat rate. Done deed. You're lucky it's not a Delco-Remy replacement!

.....and the part they replaced will hopefully have a 1 year replacement
warranty. I paid 142.00 for a starter 9 months ago and replaced it just
yesterday. They called the warranty exchange done under the term
"defective replacement". The knuckle-busting location of the starter
on my 2000 Maxima did not add to the joy of working in a church parking
lot with little light. The only shop here in Wichita that rebuilt
starters (and generators) often did so while you waited. Rickets
Rebuilders closed shop about 15 years ago due to competition from south
of the border. But there was something good about sitting there at the
tin covered front bench talking with the guy who cracked the starter
apart and replaced or reworked your own unit.
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Old 19 Oct 2009, 02:28 pm   #3 (permalink)
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On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:20:42 -0600, Oldphart
<mfj1952deletethis@cox.net> wrote:

>Jeff wrote:
>> Susan wrote:
>> ...
>> > It makes me sick. The only people who should have older cars are
>> > people who know how to work on them. Taking an old car to a shop,
>> > especially if you are a woman, is almost a guarantee of getting ripped
>> > off, even when you educate yourself to avoid it!

>>
>> Well, that's mostly true. However, it has nothing to do with being a
>> woman. And, it's a lesson most of us have learned.
>>
>> And, educating yourself CAN help. You're learning about "standard
>> practices" in the industry, the hard way, by examining the bloody pieces
>> left after surgery. Only a custom, specialty shop will "spec" rebuild
>> your starter.


That's news to me. Even the guy I argued with (the go-between)
understood that a rebuild means plunger, brushes and contacts, not
"just the contacts" though he did say that that was how it was done
back in the day. Apparently these days they only replace what's worn.
IOW, the rebuilder saves money on parts, charges you the same amount
as if everything was replaced, and the thing is more likely to break
again sooner, bringing you back [to someone if not them] for more
repairs... It is a much better strategy for the auto industry and
much worse for the consumer. And it is not a rebuild! Only a part
replacement.

I can't wait til nanotechnology builds engines out of materials that
self-repair. (Yes, that's actually coming, but not soon enough!) A
good auto mechanic is a gem, but they are too few and far between.

>> A mainline shop will replace it with a good rebuilt, for
>> the flat rate. Done deed. You're lucky it's not a Delco-Remy replacement!


I don't feel lucky having paid $225 for $11 contacts, but I'll take
your word for it.

> Olphart added:
>....and the part they replaced will hopefully have a 1 year replacement
>warranty. I paid 142.00 for a starter 9 months ago and replaced it just
>yesterday.


Oh man, how odd, just when you were talking about starters here! Did
you have any idea it was going bad on you?

> They called the warranty exchange done under the term
>"defective replacement". The knuckle-busting location of the starter
>on my 2000 Maxima did not add to the joy of working in a church parking
>lot with little light.


That does NOT sound fun!

>The only shop here in Wichita that rebuilt
>starters (and generators) often did so while you waited. Rickets
>Rebuilders closed shop about 15 years ago due to competition from south
>of the border. But there was something good about sitting there at the
>tin covered front bench talking with the guy who cracked the starter
>apart and replaced or reworked your own unit.


What a visual. There are many things progress has brought that are
great, but much we have lost along the way too.


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